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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by radicality »

hartator wrote: post #442
dkarbayev wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually have to wipe the screen with the included special cloth? The screen on all of the macbooks that I've had usually get oily patches because of the contact with keycaps, so I have to wipe the screen regularly.

I wipe all my devices with regular paper towels with a tad of water. Including my $5k Apple XDR display. I am probably not the best example to emulate lol.

I have Pro Display XDR with nano coating and the manual definitely says to only use their special cleaning cloth (or with some isopropyl alcohol). The standard coating might not need it though.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by dagmx »

xyst wrote: post #481

> … advanced 12MP … camera wot, m8? Only Apple will call a 12 megapixel camera “advanced”. Same MPs as an old iPhone 6 rear camera. Aside from that, it’s pretty much the same as the prior generation. Same thickness in form factor. Slightly better SoC. Only worth it if you jump from M1 (or any Intel mbp) to M4. Would be godlike if Apple could make the chip swappable. Buy a Mac Studio M2 Ultra Max Plus. Then just upgra…

You’re comparing cameras against different product segments.

Laptop cameras are significantly smaller in all dimensions than phone cameras. Most laptop cameras are 1-4MP. Most are 720p (1MP), and a few are 1080p (2MP). The previous MacBook was 1080p

For reference, a 4k image is 8MP.

12MP is absolutely a massive resolution bump, and I’d challenge you to find a competitive alternate in a laptop.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by nox101 »

dmz73 wrote: post #562
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

Agree. I recently went to an Apple store in Tokyo to buy an accessory. The Apple employee pulled up their store iPhone to take my payment (apple pay) and then asked me to fill out a form with my email address and there was a message about how my info would be shared with some company. I thought about going back and pretending to buy something else so I could film it. I questioned the store person, "It's apple supposed to be "Privacy first"". If it was privacy first they wouldn't have asked for the info in the first place and they certainly wouldn't be sharing it with a 3rd party.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by noufalibrahim »

ddingus wrote: post #804
spacedcowboy wrote: post #788

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They send a hash of the binaries/libraries, and generate a cache locally so it's not sent again. That helps stop you from running tampered-with binaries and frameworks. No user-personal data is sent. There is no evidence at all that they are trying to ensure you can only run things from the App Store - I run a whole bunch of non-app-store binaries every single day. To make that claim is baseless and makes me de-rate…

I agree and want to emphasize a few things: 1. Most users are not capable of using general purpose computing technology in a wild, networked environment safely. 2. Too many people who matter to ignore insist, "something must be done." 3. And so something shall be done. 4. Apple is navigating difficult waters. As much as I disapprove of how they have chosen a path for iOS, the fact is many people find those choices ar…

As someone who cut his teeth on computing in the era you refer to, I have a small disagreement about Linux (especially Ubuntu) in your statement.

Apple is priced beyond the reach of many "ordinary people" especially outside the western markets. A cheap (perhaps after market) laptop with Ubuntu on it (often installed by the seller) is something that has been getting a lot of traction among regular users. Most of the things they do are via. a browser so as long as Chrome/FF works, they're good. They often install software that undermines the security that the platform natively offers but still, it's a pretty decent compromise.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by w10-1 »

tomrod wrote: post #19

This is the first compelling Mac to me. I've used Macs for a few clients and muscle memory is very deeply ingrained for linux desktops. But with local LLMs finally on the verge of usability along with sufficient memory... I might need to make the jump! Wish I could spin up a Linux OS on the hardware though. Not a bright spot for me.

macOS virtualization of Linux is very fast and flexible. Their sample code shows it's easy without any kind of service/application: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...

However, it doesn't support snapshots for Linux, so you need to power down each session.

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Post by stouset »

lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

You hit the nail on the head. And it’s something virtually everyone else replying to you is completely missing.

Apple isn’t perfect. They’re not better at privacy than some absolutist position where you run Tails on RISC V, only connect to services over Tor, host your own email, and run your own NAS.

But of all the consumer focused hardware manufacturers and cloud services companies, they are the only ones even trying.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by Brajeshwar »

teaearlgraycold wrote: post #797
dr_kiszonka wrote: post #164

> "Up to 7x faster image processing in Affinity Photo" Great to see Affinity becoming so popular that it gets acknowledged by Apple.

I’m a fan of their software and pricing.

Affinity is now part of Canva. https://www.canva.com/newsroom/news/affinity/

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Post by _19qg »

jcmontx wrote: post #20

> "up to 1.8x faster when compared to the 16-inch MacBook Pro with M1 Pro" I insist my 2020 Macbook M1 was the best purchase I ever made

It's a very robust and capable small laptop. I'm typing this to a M1 Macbook Air.

The only thing to keep in mind, is that the M1 was the first CPU in the transition from Intel CPUs (+ AMD GPUs) to Apple Silicon. The M1 was still missing a bunch of things from earlier CPUs, which Apple over time added via the M1 Pro and other CPUs. Especially the graphics part was sufficient for a small laptop, but not for much beyond. Better GPUs and media engines were developed later. Today, the M3 in a Macbook Air or the M4 in the Macbook Pro have all of that.

For me the biggest surprise was how well the M1 Macbook Air actually worked. Apple did an outstanding job in the software & hardware transition.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by _19qg »

joshdavham wrote: post #620

Question to more senior Mac users: how do you usually decide when to upgrade? I bought my first Macbook pro about a year and a half ago and it's still working great.

I'm using them for several years - I still have a Mac mini (from 2012) and an iMac Pro (from 2017) running. I also get a company Macbook which I can upgrade every three years.

But there is also another strategy: get a new Mac when they come out and sell it before/after the next model appears. There is a large market for used Macs. A friend of mine has been doing this for quite some time.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by nakedgremlin »

opjjf wrote: post #5

It seems they also update the base memory on MacBook Air: > MacBook Air: The World’s Most Popular Laptop Now Starts at 16GB > MacBook Air is the world’s most popular laptop, and with Apple Intelligence, it’s even better. Now, models with M2 and M3 double the starting memory to 16GB, while keeping the starting price at just $999 — a terrific value for the world’s best-selling laptop.

Yeah, this one caught me off guard. We just purchased a MacBook Air in the last month and if we bought the same one now, we would save $200. Apple support would not price match/correct that, so we will be returning it and purchasing anew.
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