Live data from Hacker News

Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

macrumors.com

831–840 of 1001 posts

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#831
post #670

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But does it? I haven't seen any hard evidence, and lots of anecdotal tales of technology illiterate grandparents, fathers and mothers being better off.

> lots of anecdotal tales of technology illiterate grandparents, fathers and mothers being better off I'll bite. Is there anyone here that thinks overall security for elderly (and lower skilled users) will *not* be hurt by additional app stores? I find it hard to believe. And, I write this post an an uber geek is is neither an Apple fan boi, but is very impressive by their overall security and UX. For the geeks, it w…

I still feel like that argument is like a "won't somebody please think of the children" one.

If app stores need to be locked down to protect the elderly, then surely the Internet needs to be locked down to protect all children. After all, Safari still navigates little Jimmy to pornhub if he clicks the link.

I feel like the real solution, same as the one most parents should be using instead of forcing it into everyone else is the same it's always been; don't give young Jimmy unfettered access to the Internet (and use a child/safety filter in your own home/on your own devices) and for Apple to provide a setting that enables/disables alternative app stores, so that children of the elderly can choose for them in the same way they'd choose for their children.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#832

Oh the horror, it must be so hard for Apple to cave to an open system for these people. What will they ever do without their unbelievable tax on app profits simply for existing on their nearly unlimited real estate, that is, the web?! I have no sympathy for their concerns. I can download apps on my MacBook machines all day from many different sources, and it harms no one. While I understand the associated risks, comp…

[flagged]

Supporting families downloading bad software is in itself a job. Im always torn if i should get them a password manager or just stick with the handwritten notebook. I feel like the book approach is safest

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#833

Oh the horror, it must be so hard for Apple to cave to an open system for these people. What will they ever do without their unbelievable tax on app profits simply for existing on their nearly unlimited real estate, that is, the web?! I have no sympathy for their concerns. I can download apps on my MacBook machines all day from many different sources, and it harms no one. While I understand the associated risks, comp…

Why are you no big fan of the EU ?

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#834
post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are any of those things impossible without sideloading or the DMA? Those things will only be riskier on your phone with all the malware that will undoubtedly spread throughout fully open marketplaces. I really do not want my mom accidentally installing her "Chase Bank" app from www.chazebank.cc.

those things are all made prohibitively difficult without a smartphone. there are people in the US getting kicked off their insurance plans for not having a required smartphone. this isn't some goddamn game here, peoples lives and livelihoods are on the line and you're wondering if it might not be such a big deal clearly never having put more than a moment's thought into it. And your malware claims are total BS There…

You are trying to start fights all over this post and I'm not sure why, but please don't put words in my mouth. At no point did I even remotely suggest that people shouldn't have access to smartphones.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#835

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's all about maintaining their app store monopoly. Does this only makes sense if you assume payments are tied to the App Store? They aren’t. If you remove payments from your list of motivations, what do you presume Apple’s motivation is to encourage apps to list themselves on the App Store and not a third-party marketplace?

It is much harder to explain to consumers why Apple should get a percentage-based rent (sorry Core Technology Fee that enables Privacy and Security™) if they go to a non-Apple website, download a non-Apple app, to do non-Apple-related things. Like literally the only participants in that business transaction are the consumer and the company, Apple does not even enter the picture. It would be like car manufacturers cha…

It’s more like car manufacturer charging license fees to the dealership for their use of the original manuals and tools to provide services that rely on their diagnostic tools and manuals.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#836
post #714
post #700

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think the EU can rule that Apple can't charge publishers to be on iOS. Oh I think the EU can rule whatever they want on their domestic market. Apple can try to find all the holes they want, the Commission is probably just taking notes of those holes to fix them in the DMA 1.1 I really think Apple (and Meta, fwiw) is making a huge mistake if they think they are in position to negociate anything. DMA is here…

> if the goal isnt reached, there will be enough iterations until achievement. I wish I was as optimistic as you. GPDR was already supposed to be such an improvement. I have no doubt that current Apple's dance won't work. But I don't think any European company will actually benefit from DMA. (I'd say the ones who will really benefit from it are Epic Games and Google, maybe Mozilla a bit) That being said, I'm very hap…

GDPR is an improvement though.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#838
post #3

This is just more malicious compliance by Apple. Indie developers are completely locked out of web distribution, and it applies only to developers who are already paying the Apple tax. > To be eligible for Web Distribution, you must: > Be a member of good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more, and have an app that had more than one million first annual installs on iOS in the EU in t…

I suppose the next stage of malicious compliance will be to allow absolutely everyone to publish apps everywhere , but with some technical warning that is designed to be ignored.

Nah, I bet they'll let people install apps from anywhere, but for those apps they'll purposefully crack open the app sandbox to truly allow anything & everything, then when malware/scams hit Apple will be like "see, we told you it was a bad idea "

Predicting it now.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

#839
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's malicious about that? That the warning is designed to be ignored? If they deleted the warning, would that be much different?

The same reason it’s frowned upon to install random apps from the internet onto your PC. It’s a disaster waiting to happen.

Sounds like their sandbox and permissions system is lacking then.

Hmm somehow I can go to any website in a browser and be just fine hmmmm

Post reply on HN