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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by vitorgrs »

artdigital wrote: post #737
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

They’ve plastered “bard” ads everywhere in Tokyo for a while. Surprised to kill the name so quickly, the marketing team in Japan probably had no idea (Personally, I never liked how Bard sounded. Can’t put my finger on why, it was just not a pleasant name to me)

They also did a lot of (cringe) ads in Brazil.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by yencabulator »

phinnaeus wrote: post #758
jprival wrote: post #734

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I thought “Bard” was an Asimov reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Someday_(short_story) (on top of the more obvious references)

It's too close a match for it not to be > The story concerns [...] an old Bard, a child's computer whose sole function is to generate random fairy tales. The boys download a book about computers into the Bard's memory in an attempt to expand its vocabulary, but the Bard simply incorporates computers into its standard fairy tale repertoire.

Well the ending sure sounds like an LLM getting stuck:

> "the little computer knew then that computers would always grow wiser and more powerful until someday—someday—someday—…"

https://blog.gdeltproject.org/llm-infinite-loops-failure-mod...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by gnicholas »

93po wrote: post #827
Andrex wrote: post #598

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The risks involving hallucinations are too damn high still, and may always be. I had a similar line of thought with AI therapists. It could be massively beneficial if perfect, but the risk in seriously messing with someone's well-being is significant and shouldn't be handwaved away.

I will take nearly free GPT6 therapy any day. Can’t be worse than some human therapists I’ve had and the price is right

I think there's a market for LLM-based therapy that is reviewed/tweaked by a human therapist in between sessions. That would give people the assurance that things aren't going way off the rails.

OTOH, I could also see a market for an offline, fully private LLM therapist. That way you could say anything without concern about being judged. These would probably need to be tweaked to be different from regular therapists, who normally interact with people who have somewhat more of a filter, since they would fear being judged. If people opened up to LLM therapists in more transparent ways, the LLMs might not respond in the way a human therapist would recommend (having seen very little data on such interactions).

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Post by vitorgrs »

DalasNoin wrote: post #543
fl7305 wrote: post #425

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I just tried some logic puzzles on the Advanced model, and was not impressed. It feels much worse than paid ChatGPT.

keep in mind that all the common logical puzzles have probably been tried hundreds of times by chatgpt users and are now part of the training set.

Maybe, but GPT4 got these puzzles right at the launch.

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #663
TillE wrote: post #644

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I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language. Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

To me, bard just sounds phonetically gross. Reminds me of “fart” or “beard.” It calls to mind medieval stuff: the Monte Python mud scene, Skyrim’s most annoying NPCs, plucking lutes. But Gemini? That sounds like a legendary space mission; this collective engineering push against the boundaries of human knowledge. I do not have refined tastes. My b.

Bard is really funny to me to make fun of. It feels like the discount version of ChatGPT. Like the way that (ironically) TV shows would get microsoft sponsoring and the characters would say "oh you should Bing that", a phrase no human would normally say, and I like to be "ah let me see what Bard thinks about this".

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Post by Mistletoe »

I'm impressed with Gemini a lot and prefer it to ChatGPT. I asked what the price of Bitcoin was today and it gave me the price from several sources and I told her the Coinbase price was wrong and she checked again and said "You know what, you are right, I've corrected that."

She seems nicer than ChatGPT, is faster, and gives answers with less fluff and nonsense padding added. I think I've found my new LLM.

I hated the name Bard it just seemed like the name a of a second place LLM, I don't know how to describe it better than that.

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Post by okrad »

summerlight wrote: post #765

Beside of the model quality or whatever, I think the subscription plan tiers are structured in a quite weird way, especially for those who already use Google One. Previously, the tiers are reasonably structured: 1. $9.99/month for 2TB + other benefits. Offered in both monthly and annual plans. 2. $24.99/month for 5TB. Includes all benefits above. Offered in both monthly and annual plans. 3. Higher tiers for 10~30TB.…

Good catch! I upgraded to Gemini Advanced to try it out for 2 months and figured I’d cancel. There does not seem to be a way to downgrade the plan without canceling and I was on the 100GB/yr plan through August. No discount on new monthly subscription. Bummer.

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Post by [deleted] »

taf2 wrote: post #797
crazygringo wrote: post #761

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I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

Big idea but maybe they should have just named it Google

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by dhosek »

facialwipe wrote: post #821
rob74 wrote: post #773

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Gem-in-eye? Ouch! Also, Gemini was appropriate for the space program because (a) there were two astronauts in the capsule and (b) because of the constellation, "aiming for the stars" and all that. For the Google project however I can't come up with a plausible explanation - Google doesn't even try to give a reason for the name either.

During Project Gemini, it was pronounced it Gem-in-ee. https://youtu.be/JeAUx6-vSmc?feature=shared

Which is closer to the proper Latin pronunciation (which would have a hard G although ecclesiastical Latin would have a soft G).
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