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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by surgical_fire »

pharmakom wrote: post #828
surgical_fire wrote: post #792

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Good question. It's important to understand that it doesn't know anything. It gives approximate answers based on statistical relevance. For example, it has been noticed that ChatGPT can answer leetcode interview questions. That doesn't surprise me in the least, chances are that it contained the algorithm associated to slight variations of the question in its training data. To generate boilerplate code it has been pre…

Yeah... it's closer to text autocomplete than a human SWE

This is an oversimplification that understate its abilities.

It can be a powerful productivity tool. My best analogy is "search engine on steroids"

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Post by hiq »

eropple wrote: post #46
theusus wrote: post #8

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

You think programmers are indispensable? "Learn to code"? I think you, likely as not, have a rude awakening ahead of you. GPT can enshittify code, too. Unwind libraries into oceans of repeated Copilot-descendant code all over the place. It'll just take longer.

GPT doesn't do anything on its own, it needs a prompt.

That prompt is basically code, written by a programmer, although it resembles natural language so we're closer to usable literate programming than we've ever been.

Programmers didn't disappear with new (higher-level) programming languages, if anything there have been more of them; how is this different?

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Post by satvikpendem »

adwn wrote: post #695
breck wrote: post #672

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Yes: open source. Open source has proved itself to be vastly superior to closed source development models. It does not generate obscene wealth disparities though—and some see that as a bug.

> Yes: open source. Open source is not an economic system in the sense in which this term is generally used. > Open source has proved itself to be vastly superior to closed source development models. "Superior" by which metric?

And to add, many companies are going from open source back to proprietary licenses explicitly due to being unable to compete with closed companies like Amazon. Elastic, Sentry, and Docker come to mind. So any discussion of the super/inferiority of open source should include this phenomenon too.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by satvikpendem »

ilyt wrote: post #712
buu700 wrote: post #669

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Here's an idea: a UBI that's pegged to GDP and population. Make it comically small to start, like say 0.25% of GDP split evenly between all citizens. Based on 2021 US stats, that's $176 per person per year. That seems relatively unobjectionable regardless of your politics, even assuming that the % is likely to drift higher over time. With increasingly advanced AI and cheap energy, GDP would rise over the long run ind…

Here is even simpler idea to make that feasible: Start actually taxing the corporations in a way that can't be trivially avoided. And don't tax them less than your own citizens. Maybe tax a bit of income on top of revenue. Maybe tax a bit more if income per employee is on high side.

Doing that is actually more complicated. There are a variety of questions regarding taxing them, and there are many more ways they could get around it. In contrast, an income tax actually collects revenue because people can't really get around having to pay it.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by avereveard »

simonh wrote: post #703
mertd wrote: post #655

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People are very good at creating work. Every time tech creates a paradigm shift and people cry that there will be not enough work, the exact opposite happens.

Exactly, we’ve been automating the living crap out of almost everything for hundreds of years, but employment has never been higher. Automation leads to higher productivity, cheaper goods and services, increased need for technical skills, thus higher wages and higher demand. Of course there can be some painful periods of adjustment, but that’s often caused by misguided policy trying to hold back the tide and delay th…

We have been automating at the beginning of the production chain , mostly.

This is the first automation that targets directly knowledge workers, and hit almost all of them but those in profession where error can cause people deaths.

Traditionally knowledge workers were the bulk of the middle class, because well it takes 30 years to produce one and not all make the cut, so they are paid market prices instead of minimum wages.

And by that nature, knowledge workers cannot reinvent themselves overnight, there will nowhere left to go for them.

Maybe lawyers and medics and a few other can entrenche themselves with legislation, but if you are a knowledge worker in a non union field things look scary.

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Post by Viliam1234 »

phkahler wrote: post #793
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #539

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> What is income? What is it used for? Money is a proxy for resources. If you boil it down to the essentials, income is the way we allocate the resources available to us to different individuals. It is not intrinsically a reward for work. It isn't even directly linked to work anymore in our capitalist system. The people who work the hardest don't have the highest income. The way the system currently works is that tho…

>> The people who work the hardest don't have the highest income. This is the one thing I find most strange. In some cases we pay more for higher skills that are harder to come by, but that seems far from the only thing causing this.

That's because the actual thing we are paying for is scarcity.

If there are 100 people willing to work hard, but we only need 90 of them, they will get paid little, because any of them can be easily replaced.

If there are 90 people with some rare skill, and we need 100 of them, they will get paid a lot, because any of them can easily find a new job. (In theory. In practice, the employers will take some coordinated action to prevent this.)

Ironically, doubling the productivity of the people with the rare skill could dramatically reduce their income, because now there are still 90 of them, but we only need 50.

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Post by verdverm »

jamilton wrote: post #520
renonce wrote: post #497

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> Oh, I'm glad you popped out of the womb fully trained. As for the rest of us we have to go through a learning curve of gaining experience that takes years. You did pop out of the womb fully trained to use ChatGPT. Now you're left with the task of using it correctly and spotting its mistakes, which is a subject that by definition can only be done by humans. Right now ChatGPT is as much as its training data and it do…

You do not pop out of the womb knowing how to write or use a keyboard.

Evolution did a lot of pretraining, there are dedicated structures and areas in the brain for many tasks which we are good at, such as language and facial recognition.

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Post by criddell »

surgical_fire wrote: post #622
criddell wrote: post #518

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It's not bad for something that's pretty new. Now imagine what another decade or two of development will give us. The number of areas in which a typical worker is more knowledgeable is going to get lower and lower.

lol research with LLM is not new. It just became useful for a wider audience recently

I was thinking specifically of all the amazing work that has been done since the Attention is All You Need paper from 2018. There’s been a lot of progress in just the past 5 years.

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Post by vc8f6vVV »

stefanfisk wrote: post #794
cambaceres wrote: post #786

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I’m including VAT in the calculation, and simplifies a bit by viewing the rest as salary.

IMHO that is very misleading in this context where there are a lot of Americans. If the VAT rates went to 0% you would still get to keep the exact same amount as with the current 25% rate. And when discussing B2B prices VAT is never included, as it is generally not an expense for the company but rather just an accounting detail.

I would include VAT. No matter B2B or not, it's how much your end customer pays is what matters. Yes, business will pass on this tax further, but end consumer won't be able to claim it. It's the same as a sales tax in the US. To include it in price or not is more a psychological thing (in the US it's not included in price). When I pay $106.25 for something it makes a little difference for me that $6.25 goes to my state or passed to the previous business, and if I only have $100 you lost me. That's the reality.

Basically it's very similar to debates about US taxes. Sure, it's not 70%, but things add up quickly. Income tax, social security, medicare, medical insurance, sales tax. The usual argument is "but, but ... it's not me who is paying my medical insurance or half of social taxes, it's my employer, so it's not my tax". Well, it is. That's the money your employer would have paid _you_ if those taxes hadn't existed.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

simonh wrote: post #756
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

The fact that anyone today thinks that any other economic system we’ve ever tried is any better than the one we have is a damning indictment of our education system.

The fact that you jump straight to Communism (without having the balls to openly say it) when nobody even mentioned it, that's a damning indictment of your education system. Or religious doctrine, I should say.

Ever thought that maybe Capitalism is just a small step in human history and that we can definitely do better? I wonder what happened to innovation, is it fine only as long as it doesn't threaten the status quo that keeps you complacent?

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