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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bombcar »

Dalewyn wrote: post #156
enlyth wrote: post #70

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Apart from this, if you're an enthusiast who likes to build their own PC, component prices have gone insane. A flagship GPU is 2000 dollars, and motherboards are priced so high that Gamer's Nexus decided to do a 25 minute video rant about it. The returns are diminishing, it's not worth to get a 4090 RTX with DDR5 and a compatible mobo, if for 1/3 of the price you can get 90% of the performance with a used 3090 and DD…

>motherboards are priced so high Only if you go for the really stupid RGB "gamer" motherboards sprinkled with more fairy dust than sense. Something like this ASUS Prime Z690-P[1] is reasonably priced at just north of ~$200, it even has luxuries like 2.5gig ethernet and onboard wireless. If you want a DDR5 setup, this ASUS Prime Z690-A[2] is still ~$260 with plenty of luxuries. If you can do without a top-tier chipset…

“Just north of $200” is insane - cheap mobos were in the $50-80 range forever, with good ones around $120. Prices be getting higher.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by [deleted] »

FullyFunctional wrote: post #608
twawaaay wrote: post #592

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I think the answer isn't that simple. It depends. For me my M1 Macbook Pro has the following pros: * It just works. I detest Windows. I love Linux but lately I started spending too much time maintaining it, I have busy life and decided that taking care of my OS is a luxury and I would rather use something that is acceptable than spend a lot of time getting to perfect. * It is viable powerful workstation. I just conne…

My $0.02: in my world nobody gives a #### about status, but while I agree with your list, I feel it misses the single biggest feature: * the power efficiency of the M1 means you can _actually_ use it an entire day on a charge _without_ having to compromise on performance. That is a huge issue. I'd amend your last point with: at least in North America, getting service for the Apple products is very streamlined and tha…

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by avianlyric »

_gabe_ wrote: post #307
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

> This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. 4GB of RAM.[0] It's the stupid websites that require GB of RAM to display a couple pieces of written text and the hundreds of MB of JS that tally up to the additional 28GB you may be thinking of. Oh and all the electron apps which add additional browser requirements where there shouldn't be any. I guess Mac OS is somehow exempt from this particular…

> I guess Mac OS is somehow exempt from this particular fault though

MacOS isn’t, but Apple Silicon laptops sort of are. Seems the onboard flash and flash controller integrated into M1 and M2 chips are fast enough that disk paging doesn’t impact performance for most day-to-day task. I’ve personally been very surprised at how much performance Apple have squeezed out of 8GB of RAM, it’s certainly far more than I was accustomed to in the Intel era.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bombcar »

codexb wrote: post #783
kevinherron wrote: post #35

I doubt this is about price like some people in here are suggesting. Maybe a little bit overall market trend, but primarily I would wager it’s because many, many people bought the M1 when it came out and it’s so good that the only people buying M2 are those who waited - it’s a fine spec bump, but not something you would be tempted to upgrade from M1 for.

The pricing wouldn't be so bad if their offerings aligned with the market, or at least made sense. Their base level specs are uncompetitive and borderline unusable. There's too much overlap at the lower level between macbook airs and pros. I bet a lot of people are turned off by the idea of spending over $2k on a laptop that still only has a 512 GB SSD.

512GB and 8GB ram is actually quite usable for the cast majority of people who laptop; but their existing computer is likely to already have that so why upgrade?

Still should get more for your money, I agree.

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Post by yibg »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #758
wintermutestwin wrote: post #745

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> 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two I'd love to see where you got that statistic. IME, I have to wait months for any kind of specialist. And when I finally get to see one, my insurance underpays and then I spend endless hours fighting with both the provider and the insurer. This crap happens every single time I need to see a doctor. I can't wait to retire and move to a second world cou…

> IME, I have to wait months for any kind of specialist. Ok sure so just realize when you retire in that 2nd world country the wait is for GPs! forget specialist. > https://www.england.nhs.uk/gp/case-studies/routine-gp-appoin... The average has dropped to 10 days! The US wait for equivalent of GP is like next 1-2 days, or even same day if you get triaged by the group. Also they are seeing 30+ patients a day which eve…

I live in the Bay Area with good insurance. Next appointment with Stanford for a regular check up with a GP as a new patient is 2-3 months, unless I want to drive an hour away.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by oblio »

pradn wrote: post #724
oblio wrote: post #286

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> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate No, it doesn't. It's about 1.8 and dropping, and most of the higher values in that group are from recent immigrants, which are also having fewer kids. Educated folks also have lower fertility rates. The US is basically a mirror of Western Europe in this regard: https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rate... > AND a culture that's always willing to ac…

> Lots and lots of natural resources facilitating lots of businesses which aren't really feasible in say, Germany, France, Japan. This doesn't seem to be a big factor in the boom industries in the US: tech, finance, pharma. It does matter for construction, the biggest employer. The US still seems like a more welcoming place than western Europe. Or at least you can take comfort in a suburban home and drive to people/i…

> We have an immigrant ethos that exceeds that of the UK, France, and Germany.

Again with the outdated mindset. Those countries have as many immigrants or more, per capita, as the US.

> Plus, our large number of decent universities means the masters/F1->OPT->H1B pipeline works well for many educated workers.

Those work well for drawing people in, but how well do they serve second generation immigrants or minorities? Universities in Europe are cheap or free, that's a whole lot more egalitarian.

The US speaks English, is big and has a TON of money. The US basically brute forces everything, which I guess works.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by DesiLurker »

exabrial wrote: post #709

Probably could: 1. don't use soldered ram 2. don't use soldered ssd 3. nobody needs or wants a T2 chip 4. use a standard UEFI booter 5. stop making accessories (including the iphone) that use lightning connectors. Use use usb-c 6. stop embedding chips in cords 7. stop using custom screws for everything I know I'm missing a few, but these alone would make it far cheaper to manufacture without specialty components

laptop repair guru Louis Rossmann has repeatedly echoed the same sentiments about apple: https://youtu.be/AUaJ8pDlxi8

its all broken & proprietary by design. performance aspect a distant second but apple fanboys love it when apple fleeces them even more.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by Reimersholme »

oezi wrote: post #587
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #510

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Can't disagree but the biggest target of his demographics argument is always East Asia, and the numbers there are truly dismal. S. Korea's latest numbers were 0.78. I really don't know how a population can ever recover from that

They easily could by actually putting in family friendly policies into place and abandoning the educational policies which turned childhood in Korea into a constant drill 24/7.

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bombcar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #20
KptMarchewa wrote: post #14

M1 generation was so good that it prompted way more users to jump to it; that demand would spread over multiple generations if it was not so good. On the other hand purposefully gimping M1 would gimp ARM adoption. By delivering great performance, they've build up a lot of goodwill - people willingly port their stuff to macs.

I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro, and had to check settings to remember it's almost three years old. Zero issues, performs wonderfully, probably going to keep for at least another two.

The only downside for me with the original M1 was the lack of external monitor support like the previous Pro had. That’s been fixed with the M1 Max.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by oblio »

geodel wrote: post #393
oblio wrote: post #291

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Why are you cherry picking immigrant groups? What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Heck, what are the statistics for Vietnamese Germans? The US has plenty of minority and immigrant groups for which convergence is... far from happening.

> What are the statistics for Poles, Italians, Russian Germans? Maybe find and share, if you looking to refute the point.

I don't have the numbers but what I can share is that Vietnamese are considered a model minority in several European countries, including some not famous for their integration policies, such as Czechia. So the fact that Vietnamese Americans are doing well is not some weird thing.
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