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Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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Some research on shareholders % of Twitter, Tesla, SpaceX and Square I made online in 15 minutes:

TWITTER biggest shareholders:

  1. Vanguard 10.3%

  2. Elon Musk 9.2%

  3. Morgan Stanley 8.4%

  4. BlackRock 6.5%

  5.  State Street Corp 4.5%

  ?. Jack Dorsey 2.25%
TESLA biggest shareholders:

  1. Elon Musk 17%

  2. Susquehanna Securities 6.5%

  3. Capital World Investors 4.9%

  ?. Kimbal Musk 0.07%
SPACEX is still private but it seems that:

  Musk owns 48%-54% of outstanding stock
  and 78% of voting rights
SQUARE (squareup.com) shareholders:

  1. Jack Dorsey 12.7%

  2. Morgan Stanley 6.8%

  3. Vanguard 6.3%

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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I wonder what stops Musk from buying 14.8%, and then lending money to a few friends who each buy 14.8% and agree to vote in his interest? If there is just a gentleman's agreement between them, then he would not be considered the beneficial owner? Then they could replace the board, repeal the shareholder rights plan, and the friends would pay back Musk's debt in Twitter shares. This is such an obvious loophole, surely…

The poison pill specifically mentions groups.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/twitter-adopts-limi...

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Even before the poison pill was adopted, the evidence is the market wasn't taking Musk's offer seriously. That's because he was offering $54.20 per share (ha ha, 420), but the stock price never closed higher than $48.36. So almost $6/share was left on the table. Part of it is that Musk doesn't have $43B in cash, he'd have to raise it or borrow it. He's worth more than that but it isn't liquid; as an officer of Tesla…

It’s definitely just a stunt… he doesn’t have the money, and said he expects larger shareholders to sign on to the deal… so he can take the company private and do great profit-maximizing ideas like turning their office into a homeless shelter. He’s presented no ideas that would increase twitters profits or market share. What shareholder would sign up for this?

shareholders that have seen how "proximity to musk"=money right now.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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post #184

Even before the poison pill was adopted, the evidence is the market wasn't taking Musk's offer seriously. That's because he was offering $54.20 per share (ha ha, 420), but the stock price never closed higher than $48.36. So almost $6/share was left on the table. Part of it is that Musk doesn't have $43B in cash, he'd have to raise it or borrow it. He's worth more than that but it isn't liquid; as an officer of Tesla…

This makes no sense because if the market was 100% confident in Elon’s offer, but saw a 25% chance of a poison pill you would end up at the same place. The market was in fact incorrect in the likelihood of a poison pill, not Elon’s wealth or ability to raise funds.

Yes, so many ignorant commments above.. hard to believe software developers are so well paid.

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Some points from the All in Pod. 1. The Twitter board of directors has become a status thing. It's like a country club. They don't have real skin in the game; they don't own much stock. They're not aligned with the shareholders. It's about status and cultural power. 2. Why should we believe that the company will become more valuable when the stock price is where it was way back in December 2013? Compare to how the S&…

> The elites have somehow inverted history so they now believe that it is not censorship that is the favored tool of fascists and authoritarians, even though every fascist and despot in history used censorship to maintain power, but instead believe free speech, free discourse, and free thought are the instruments of repression. At which point in history could any person blurt out a brainfart and have thousands of peo…

> At which point in history could any person blurt out a brainfart and have thousands of people around the globe hear it and react instantly again?

Usenet, for several decades already. Good NNTP servers had nearly perfect spam filtering and the trolls were handled individually by each user in killfiles.

If Google had kept the simple original web interface from around 2004 we might not have had all these issues. GPT-3 spam is hard to detect, but can be handled by killfiles.

Of course the real goal of Twitter is to do user profiles and possibly log private messages, for which Usenet isn't suitable. I wonder who on earth would send a sensitive "private" message on Twitter.

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> The elites have somehow inverted history so they now believe that it is not censorship that is the favored tool of fascists and authoritarians, even though every fascist and despot in history used censorship to maintain power, but instead believe free speech, free discourse, and free thought are the instruments of repression. At which point in history could any person blurt out a brainfart and have thousands of peo…

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Many, many people are absolutely arguing that zero moderation is appropriate.

Anyway, you also acknowledge that some moderation is both appropriate and necessary. So, now we know your opinion of a private company’s moderation is different from the parent commenters, but you both believe moderation is necessary — and then you call them an authoritarian fascist.

Your comment is incredibly inappropriate.

Re: Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company

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"One AI engineer from Tesla could solve Twitter's bot and spam problem." It's hard to take any of the rest of this seriously after that "detail".

I think this is the first time I disagree with you. Bot problem, perhaps not. Spam problem, definitely. https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1487022342630957062?s=21&t=... https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1496549841912094733?s=21&t=... https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1485588476057825290?s=21&t=... and https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/1473752736537657349... https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/139902863019023…

I’d happily bet you any sum of your choosing that I’d make a pretty big dent in the crypto spam within a few months of full-time effort.

Could you do that while also making sure no false positives happen? Elon is making claims that he wants to make Twitter a platform where people are truly free to say what they want, so any spam that gets removed that isn't spam would be seen in a very poor light.

Eliminating spam when you're happy to have a few other things end up in the spam folder by mistake is relatively simple. Likewise, eliminating most of the spam but letting some through because it looks real is also quite easy. Eliminating only spam and nothing else is significantly harder.

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Tesla has a rule that you can only borrow 25% of the value against the shares. From Money Stuff: > Or Musk could borrow more against his Tesla stake. Tesla’s own policies prohibit Musk from borrowing more than 25% of the value of his shares, which is barely enough to buy Twitter, even ignoring the fact that he has already used at least some of that capacity. Of course he’s in charge of Tesla and its board is famously…

Well he do own approx 50% of another company worth around 100 billion. I'm sure he could manage to finance this just fine.

He also does not need to fund all of it; just enough that a bank would be willing to consider the Twitter shares he is purchasing as collateral for the rest of the loan.

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> One AI engineer from Tesla could solve Twitter’s bot and spam problem I think you underestimate how hard the problem is or you don’t fully understand how it works. The scale at which Twitter operates makes it near impossible to take down spam in real time. You don’t think Twitter is working on it, but they are. What you see is a much smaller percentage of the actual spam generated, and the reason you see it is beca…

To think that a company that has failed to create self-driving for nearly a decade could solve "content moderation", one of the hardest problem on the internet that every single of the big companies (who btw hire the best talent) have been struggling with, is truly a shocking statement to me. If all Google and Facebook couldn't solve it, why could a Tesla engineer of all people...

Spamming "$$$ TSLA to the moon! Get latest tips on my free Discord http://biy.ly/ocozxc #TWTR #GOOG #AMC #GME $$$" thousands of times for days being suspended is hardly the hardest problem on the Internet

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#840

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One AI engineer from Tesla could solve Twitter’s bot and spam problem I think you underestimate how hard the problem is or you don’t fully understand how it works. The scale at which Twitter operates makes it near impossible to take down spam in real time. You don’t think Twitter is working on it, but they are. What you see is a much smaller percentage of the actual spam generated, and the reason you see it is beca…

To think that a company that has failed to create self-driving for nearly a decade could solve "content moderation", one of the hardest problem on the internet that every single of the big companies (who btw hire the best talent) have been struggling with, is truly a shocking statement to me. If all Google and Facebook couldn't solve it, why could a Tesla engineer of all people...

Spamming "$$$ $TSLA to the moon! Get latest tips on my free Discord bit.ly/ocozxc #TWTR #GOOG #AMC #GME $$$" thousands of times for days before suspension is hardly the hardest problem on the Internet

Heck, you could even just limit the number of hashtags in a single tweet (say, 2) and fix 95% of Twitter's spam problem without harming legitimate users in any way

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