Live data from Hacker News

Making the dislike count private across YouTube

support.google.com

831–840 of 1001 posts

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#831
Well, at least they didn't blame the weather for this. The levels of dishonesty are just rather breathtaking at this point … and really concerning, because nothing at all good ever comes from dishonesty.

Anyone who has paid any attention at all knows exactly why they are doing away with the down vote count and it has nothing really to do with any sham experiment that is post hoc rationalization for a foregone conclusion.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#832

Hiding the dislike info on POTUS seems important now. Hiding the dislike info on CNN seems important now. Public trust in government is low. Public trust in corporate media is low. It's been policy to manufacture consent in the US for quite a while now. Hard to say this move isn't more of the same, and it's equally hard to say it helps more than it hurts too.

Yeah, this is pretty obvious. The government is getting very unpopular right now, just take a look at the like/dislike ratios for any vaccine related announcements or inflation related announcements. They are just gonna shut the whole party down if they can't spin it the way they want. Very authoritarian. It's not a huge change, but these things happen bit by bit - the US is slowly converging with China.

Yup.

It's manufactured consent and managed down dissent in action.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#833
There is a video on YouTube in which YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received the Free Expression Award (which were sponsored by YouTube).

At the time of the check I just did, that video currently has 227 upvotes and over 56,000 downvotes, making it the worst ratio’ed video on YouTube I have ever seen.

That incident may have played a role in this decision.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#835
post #834

I like the concept of chrome extensions as overlays on pages, adding a new dimension to the page. Seems like one would be useful in this case...

Reminds me of Gab's "dissenter" extension which added comments and live chat to any web page. I don't know if it still exists since it got removed from extension marketplaces.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#836
post #821

I have never ever looked at the dislike counts to judge a video. I am baffled by most of the top comments here, that express frustration or outright anger about this. I don't think like counts are relevant to me either. When I consume YouTube (and I have a premium membership which I am happy with) I either know the creator well or I have to trust the search and recommendation algorithms to give me good content for my…

[deleted]

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#837
post #833

There is a video on YouTube in which YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received the Free Expression Award (which were sponsored by YouTube). At the time of the check I just did, that video currently has 227 upvotes and over 56,000 downvotes, making it the worst ratio’ed video on YouTube I have ever seen. That incident may have played a role in this decision.

For reference after they remove the downvote count: https://imgur.com/a/A0J0yKG

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#838

Whether this is good for creators is one thing, but it's definitely bad for viewers. Likes to dislikes is an indicator of the quality of the video, and how well it matches the title/description. This will fundamentally change what I use YouTube for. If I can't determine the quality of a video without having to waste time watching it, I will just look somewhere else.

I feel completely opposite about this. I have never (and I mean never) viewed the dislikes as an indicator of the quality of the video, or it’s content. It’s only ever been a number that some arbitrary set of people have incremented. To me the video’s quality is self evident, pretty quickly.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#839

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say. Because we can easily say that the effect is not "dislike attacking" but other effects: - shy people more afraid to give their opinion not knowing that others have done the same. - the feature feeling useless, as even if you dislike, you might thing that you click will worth nothing as no one will see it. Imagin…

> Clearly a flawed conclusion. For the result of their experiment they deduced what they wanted it to say.

you know how when you navigate google drive on the web you have to double-click. like, what, a website, where you double click links to navigate? the internal study that justified that was 12 people; 6 of whom either immediately tried to double click (2 IIRC) or eventually tried to double click (4 IIRC). so, 50% didn't shit a brick when they were presented with a broken website interaction, so it was greenlit.

source: I was at google when this happened and I argued with the pm's when this happened.

Re: Making the dislike count private across YouTube

#840
I understand the incentives, however, I think the biggest consequence of this is that it will give a false sense of support on conspiratorial videos and other forms of misinformation.

Some people think that the more likes a video has, the more the community agrees with it's message, and therefore the more truth the video contains. The classic appeal to the majority fallacy.

This is only going to strengthen those communities and empower them further.

Post reply on HN