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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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So civilized experts are infallible? Please. “Mind opening leads to compassion.” -Lao Tzu, Tao te Ching, 16 “The sage deters those who know too much from going too far.” - ibid , 3

Sure experts can make mistakes. Which is why it makes an enormous amount of sense to avoid taking the opinions seriously from people that are not even experts because they are significantly more likely to make mistakes based on incomplete knowledge or poor understanding of it. Imagine drowning: If we were talking about expert lifeguards vs. some random beach goer and you had to choose which would try & save you, woul…

Yet what qualifies one as an expert? How would you be able to judge?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I know about psyops, but what is "PSA type information"? (What is "PSA" for?) (Agreed btw that most humans are easy to manipulate. How interesting about the carrots, I like to eat, for the eyes partly)

I made the mistake to assume the acronym PSA was known. Public Service Announcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_announcement

Ok thanks :-) (I guess it is in the US)

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

The thing of Joe Rogan shouting at the primatologist about the "new" chimpanzee is genuinely hilarious https://youtu.be/__CvmS6uw7E

Wow, that is a classic example of an "internet researcher" who read some articles and then told the people trying to correct to "do research."

I just looked up this story and the apes in question were regular eastern chimps with some regional variation. They've been studied for nearly two decades. The whole 6 foot lion killer thing was a few sensationalized articles from 2003 or 2004 due to a member of the research group making excited claims. The member wasnt even a primatologist and was kicked out.

Joe Rogan's research was literally some popular articles from a decade and a half ago... And he dares tell the person on the phone they aren't "current" and to do research.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Let me ask you this - if deplatforming doesn't work, what are all of the people concerned about it worried about? It works in the sense that it deprives people of the power-multiplying capabilities of large platforms to spread disinformation. It doesn't stop the spread, but it does slow the spread. Yes, Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists would still exist without Alex Jones egging them on, but there would have been fewe…

I think the main thing we disagree on is: I don't think Alex Jones has any power, or changes anyone's mind. He doesn't have a silver tongue, a deft wit, or evidence on his side. He's just a schmuck who tosses out bullshit to see what sticks. What you're dancing around, though, is that you can't talk about why this particular piece of bullshit sticks if you're pretending it's apolitical. The Sandy Hook hoax idea, as I…

This description of Alex Jones doesn't sit well with the fact that Jones was a friend of a sitting POTUS and has thousands of fanatical listeners driving around with 'InfoWars' bumperstickers. He may be a blithering loon but he's also powerful and influential.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

This is really some sorry Rogan/envy ad hominem. Some really petty schoolyard grimes here. (EDIT: I mean there are link to reddit caricature / joke lists etc. since when do we do this here?) I don't think Joe Rogan is very interesting ... but the 'haters' say more about themselves than anything, it's a bad look on them. Rogan is what is he is. He has a variety of guests, he entertains them and let's them speak, he po…

I have listened to quite a lot of his podcasts. There are times where he is straight up wrong and hiding behind the "I am just a guy asking questions" facade. You know what's even more tiring than "haters"? Fanbois who refuse to admit their idol might have a few flaws...

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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post #821

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You left out the ultimate conclusion: >In light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the committee recommends continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication, and targeted biological research. >long since fixed (and unlikely to happen again, as it is now much easier to detect this kind of contamina…

>In light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the committee recommends continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication, and targeted biological research. Come on – this is just the standard ass-covering language in a scientific paper. "Further research is needed." By the nature of the case it's ve…

>In light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination

That's not a standard "further research needed" statement.

>the mere abstract possibility that any given vaccine might contain contaminants

Because other medicine isn't mandated, isn't developed in under a year, and isn't given statutory waivers of liability.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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> Should we only be allowed to hear things that don’t offend us? Absolutely not! That said, I also believe in intolerance of intolerance but don't have any good answers on how that is best played out.

> I also believe in intolerance of intolerance I also like being able to justify intolerance towards anyone I want by labeling them "intolerant". Same as only caring about those I want to care about and only supporting free speech that I agree with. Makes everything much easier.

It can often be challenging to determine intent in written form, and more so in a forum context, but that reads as incredibly passive aggressive.

I'd be happy to debate this further if you were willing to do so in good faith rather than intentionally twisting my words. Otherwise, you can label me as "anti-free speech" and call it a day having won the war for freedom on the internet.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Hearing "Exclusively on Spotify" on any podcast ad is a sure-fire way to make sure I never listen to an episode. One of the great features of podcasts is the flexibility in listening platform and I'd really rather not switch to Spotify's substandard user experience.

I subscribe to Spotify but I dropped Rogan when he left. I have all my other podcasts in one app, listening history and all. Now I have to drop that because Spotify want to play monopoly? S** that.

Which app has full listening history? I’ve been looking for that.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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I discovered JRE shortly before the move to Spotify, and I'm still an avid listener, but honestly Spotify just freaking sucks compared to YouTube, and I would never actively search for more podcasts to watch on the platform. The load times and video display are worse, there's no ability to read or leave comments (Joe did say he asked them to work on that), I often have to refresh the page just to get it to respond again, it loses my spot and I have to scroll through 1,000 episodes to find what I was watching again, it's clunky and slow to skip forward and backward within an episode, and possibly the most egregious issue is the lack of search for episodes within a single channel.

That said, Spotify gave Joe written guarantee of creative freedom and dollar amount up front. With YouTube, every episode was subjected to demonetization or down-rank roulette, which understandably made him really nervous to be on the platform. As long as Spotify respects this creative freedom (despite complaints of some Spotify employees), I can respect Joe's choice to move.

I'm even a little happy that he left YouTube for this reason. A media platform should be accountable to consequences for its repression of speech.

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