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Why don't those people go get the vaccine like I did?
Some people are unable to be vaccinated (due to legitimate medical reasons) and need to rely on others.
But I'd rather be injected with a litre of smallpox than go vegan.
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For more context of that quote: > The Mayor will also be initiating a “Key to NYC Pass,” which is like the Covid-19 passport talked about a few months ago. It's a carrot-and-stick approach, as people will be required to show that they are vaccinated if they want to go to restaurants, gyms and other events. No vaccinations, no entrance. “If you want to participate in society fully, you’ve got to get vaccinated,” de Bl…
> entirely optional events and locations Covid is a disease that overwhelmingly targets the obese. But you can't go to a gym. Do you consider working out an "optional" endeavor? Not only is it essential to beating covid, but, working out keeps people sane. More young people have died from increased alcohol abuse, suicide, and drug overdoses than Covid. This all coincides with the insane push to de-humanize humans. We…
Beyond that, I agree that mental health services are essential and should be provided at no cost to anyone who needs it, especially when precautions against a pandemic have a negative affect on mental health.
All of these comments following the pattern "I'm vaccinated but [insert vaccine hesitancy content here]" sound quite a lot like the "I'm a democrat but [insert pro-trump content]" comments that abounded in the last cycle. I don't know what to make of it. Is this a rhetorical strategy that really works? A tic of people experiencing cognitive dissonance?
The fact you "don't know what to make of it" implies you haven't noticed how hard it is to convey sane opinions that align with team A to people of team B out of fear of being ostracized. If you haven't noticed this, now you know, and so don't need to be puzzled about why people do this to try to avoid being labelled and demonized.
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> I recent came across a technique... The moment you start talking about techniques you've already objectified the person across you to something to be finessed over, and as such less than a full person. So many of our recent social-media extremized public debates escalate to the point of denying or diminishing the other side's personhood. They are an "obstacle" to overcome for some greater purpose, and thus we "must…
>The moment you start talking about techniques you've already objectified the person across you There's nothing about any sort of technique that is inherent to objects and not people. Techniques are something used to achieve a goal, and if a person is involved in that goal, there's nothing wrong with using that sort of verbiage. >thus we "must" manipulate, coerce or the very least impress conclusions down their throa…
That’s what turning a person to an object is; to reduce them to something to achieve your goal over/with/through.
> You've made any attempt to change someone's mind out to automatically be something that's naturally evil. Ridiculous.
Ridiculousness is originating from your misframing which ignores the condition of participation vs instrumentalization I’ve laid out.
To give an example to non-objectifying persuasion; people pay money to get their own minds changed through therapy and it still takes years with no guaranteed success. This is obviously not “evil” (at least not inherently) because it is participatory and comes from a place of love and growth and alleviation of suffering.
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It was more of a plea than an attack, but I can see why it seemed that way. I'd edit it if I could. And since you're here, why aren't you doing more to [flag/demote/whatever] content where people are saying that Covid booster shots and their requirements are nothing more than "petty tyrants wanting to control what others do."? Surely that's worse than a small attack on the person saying it?
If there are comments breaking the site guidelines that aren't getting moderated, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see them. There are far too many for us to see them all. Referring to authorities as "petty tyrants" or whatever probably doesn't count a personal attack unless the "petty tyrant" is personally present. I don't think those comments are very high quality, but this is the internet. Trying to rai…
I also think that if vaccine misinformation (which includes that vaccine requirements are just petty tyrants controlling people and not based in science, which is the root post here if you couldn't find it) isn't currently against the current guidelines, then that's an issue.
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Why are you so obsessed with forcing vaccinations on people? Can't you just get vaccinated and enjoy your perceived safety?
Vaccinations are most effective if we reach herd immunity, which requires others to get vaccinated. The safety is not “perceived”, it’s scientifically verified by tracking hospitalization and death rates as it’s been rolled out at a global scale. The reason herd immunity is so important is that those that are immunocompromised _cannot_ safely get a vaccination and thus rely on there being enough vaccinated individual…
From ones body perspective. What is the reason to take vaccine risk if you are healthy From societal perspective, why would you do it if you can transmit it in the same amount as if you are not vaccinated? Doesn't makes sense to me, but well.. I do think that it's a good thing for people that have disease that can complicate covid recovery and older generations.
The risk of dying or long-term complications from COVID if you're under 50 is not insignificant, especially on the upper end. Here's a pretty good graph of the estimated IFR by age [1]. (So far, there hasn't been a significant difference in lethality in the new strains). The graph shows about a .1% chance of death at age 50 if you catch COVID-19. The chance of hospitalization and potential long-term symptoms is a mul…
So age and associated diseases should be deciding factor for every person. Or are you proposing something else?:)
All of these comments following the pattern "I'm vaccinated but [insert vaccine hesitancy content here]" sound quite a lot like the "I'm a democrat but [insert pro-trump content]" comments that abounded in the last cycle. I don't know what to make of it. Is this a rhetorical strategy that really works? A tic of people experiencing cognitive dissonance?
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> Being able to sue. Why is suing vital? What's insufficient about the existing National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html (I'm genuinely unfamiliar with any flaws it might have) > Many rights have been taken away (some permanently) What rights have been permanently removed? For that matter, what RIGHTS have been even temporarily suspended?
Many people consider the freedom of movement without constantly having to show papers to be a right, even if it's not explicitly codified in some law or constitution. I could say I have a right to breathe air and someone would probably come around and tell me I'm wrong, but most people have some intuition for what a "natural" right is, and bristle when something encroaches on those.
If you experience severe enough side-effects from the vaccine to warrant a lawsuit, then you are still entitled to sue for compensation. The only thing that has changes is the entity who you are suing.
The Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program makes this process much easier than a traditional lawsuit, as you merely have to convince a judge that your symptoms were likely caused by the vaccine. If they agree, you get paid.
If you sued Pfizer, then you'd probably be in a class action, going up against some of the best lawyers in the world, in a case that would drag out for a decade or more, likely have no real say in the case strategy, and would just have to accept whatever agreement the class representative agrees to.
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It's kinda fun seeing it happen in real-time in the comments though. Lol. These people will be the joke of history books. I can imagine the line already: "While many were hopeful that FDA approval would assuage the large amount of vaccine skepticism, it did not seem to change the narrative." I will continue laughing at their pathetic graves and funerals while being frustrated at their impact on me.
How quickly we've gone from "comply to save just one life" to "laughing at their pathetic graves and funerals." Like... what the hell? Do we not see a problem here?