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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Not at all. If someone told anyone I know they have a onlyfans, I can’t think of anyone who would assume anything other than porn

Well I have a page on facebook called Only. Fans. And it's only fans

Well King Aaron, have you considered owning a castle, starting a sex cult, declaring a new country on a private island or all three?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

> If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever can operate beyond those constraints, which is kind of a sad state of affairs for free speech, separation of church and state, and policing in general. Welcome to the "free(…

The problem exists because payment processing is a duopoly, not a free market (something that, in the case of a natural monopoly, can only be maintained through vigorous regulation).

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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So, serious question because I know very little about OnlyFans other than the general knowledge flowing around the internet: What does this leave of the site? Because my impression was certainly that this was the purpose of the site.

It's a huge win for PornHub which already has a robust amateur porn monetation platform. I suspect most explicit OF users already use PH for teasers and free content. Most likely they will move all content to PH and leave OF behind

Had. PornHub are still blocked by MasterCard, Visa and Discover and since American Express was never an option, that’s a lock, no credits cards for PornHub.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Sounds like a great opportunity for another player to step in and fill the vacuum, given that OnlyFans already proved there's a market for this. Just like Vine vs TikTok. Also, weird that they would give up an entire market because of prude payment providers. Are these providers from Afghanistan? They should not have that much power over their customers. Maybe a crypto spin off could work.

Anyone who does will face the same pressure from payout vendors. No one corporate wants to be actively involved in paying sex workers.

Sounds like a market opportunity for new, non-prudish payment provider.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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I worked at a webcam pornography company (as a software engineer) a few years ago and honestly, I get it from the processors perspective. I wasn't privy to all the conversations, but I know at the time, some higher ups were toying around with the idea of basically building an entire in house payment processor to handle transactions. I think a lot of people think the processors are doing this out of some moral high gr…

The dispute rate is certainly true for companies under the general umbrella of “subscription services”, usually meaning porn / webcam sites, and there are trigger points where the payment processor will switch off a facility that exceeds a certain dispute volume. OF has been increasingly making use of step-up authentication to avoid disputes, which is the way the non-US payments industry is heading. My guess would be…

Why? Why can't they use stripe identity verification https://stripe.com/identity to verify age/consent of user's who upload adult content?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Anyone who does will face the same pressure from payout vendors. No one corporate wants to be actively involved in paying sex workers.

Sounds like a market opportunity for new, non-prudish payment provider.

The problem has never been payment providers' morality. Porn payments come with significantly higher chargeback rates than traditional payments. If someone can find a way to stop red-handed husbands from claiming credit card theft when the wife checks the bill, there's a market opportunity.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Could be wrong, but I think it's less puritanical, and more that transactions with these types of vendors are overwhelmingly fraudulent and charged-back. It's a big liability for the processors.

This is a common reason that’s given, but I haven’t seen any proof. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is surprisingly overblown and the industry doesn’t actually have that bad a problem with charge backs

Chargebacks and fraud are a massive issue for every ecommerce business

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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I can understand the business reasons for cleaning up the OnlyFans brand. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why they are killing a cash cow instead of spining it off into a side business. Clone the full experience on a dedicated site, OnlyFantasy.com, duplicate the whole userbase, and give a simple warning that I can find my favorite stars on another site. In time, the user bases will diverge naturally depe…

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

PH got in trouble due to a NYT hit piece and is usual this is usually more of a corporate maneuver than an actual article done in the name of the public interest. See Pewdiepie who got one just about when he got a deal with Disney; surely pure coincidence.

The fact is, MindGeek, who operates PH and the others, is the reason all the corporate porn studios stopped making profits. When was the last time you saw a full length > 90 minutes porn movie produced after ~2010? This used to be a huge industry just as big than Hollywood.

A few days later low and behold the first thing MindGeek does is to stop people from downloading videos and only accept payments for studio made videos.

"Think of the children" is a meme at this point and should raise eyebrows whenever it is raised up as an argument.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Wow, you spend years thinking crypto is convoluted nonsense…and then something comes along that impacts a lot of your friends, and you start to change your mind. I have a fair number† of friends and acquaintances who have OnlyFans. Some for side income, some for a substantial portion of their livelihood. And to see that get taken away because the payment processors want them to fall in line…I guess I’m on the crypto…

It also puts crypto in an interesting new light: circumventing sovereign governments and regulations was always a fool's errand in my opinion. But circumventing private payment providers that have decided to do extralegal morality-policing... that's a much more realistic and interesting thing to aim for.

> circumventing sovereign governments and regulations was always a fool's errand in my opinion.

For big companies that have to respect laws anyway, yes, but it still brings lots of opportunities for regular people and small organizations that can fly under the government's radar.

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