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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

wearywanderer wrote: post #785
rootusrootus wrote: post #743

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To be fair, some of these features are available on the recently released hybrid, as well. What I would like to figure out is if it can actually backfeed the home with 240V split phase power. That would be a seriously big deal if it could, it's not a common generator feature as it is. I'm skeptical, but they did claim it could transition from charging to supplying the house and back to charging when the power returne…

Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... but not in the way you mean. It can be done safety, but when done incorrectly (if the house isn't removed from the grid first) it can kill linemen. It's a good thing most generators a homeowner might causally buy at the hardware store don't have this feature. Unfortunately I've seen male-to-male extension cords sold online for this purpose. I think thes…

> Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature...

oh, you mean like solar PV on-grid setups ...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by vinay427 »

pwagland wrote: post #239
mywittyname wrote: post #207

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The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

At least in Europe, pretty much _all_ chargers are designed to be installed outdoors, as pretty much no-one has a garage anyway. So outdoor charging should not be an issue.

Underground (or partially underground) parking garages are fairly common for newer and especially fancier apartment buildings where I live. I'm not sure how common electric car chargers are in these garages, however.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by knodi123 »

kingsuper20 wrote: post #779
tantalor wrote: post #759

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Please elaborate

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/vehicle-industry-regi... Registration is much cheaper if you have a camper shell because the vehicle ceases being 'commercial'.

Although

> Adding a camper shell to a pickup truck does not necessarily constitute a change from commercial to auto registration. The addition must meet the definitions for human habitation or camping purposes. Otherwise, the vehicle may be subject to citation from law enforcement for not meeting the definition of an auto. Human habitation is defined as living space which includes, but is not limited to: closets, cabinets, kitchen units or fixtures, and bath or toilet rooms.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wearywanderer »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #831
wearywanderer wrote: post #785

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Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... but not in the way you mean. It can be done safety, but when done incorrectly (if the house isn't removed from the grid first) it can kill linemen. It's a good thing most generators a homeowner might causally buy at the hardware store don't have this feature. Unfortunately I've seen male-to-male extension cords sold online for this purpose. I think thes…

> Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... oh, you mean like solar PV on-grid setups ...

Those are generally fine because they are generally installed and configured by licensed electricians. Generators with suicide-cables installed by homeowner Joe Blow are the problem.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

JeremyNT wrote: post #565
Someone1234 wrote: post #307

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I could legitimately see every job site having at least one as a rolling power station. That could be a very useful and popular niche, construction sites without power at early phases of construction aren't rare and power tool batteries are expensive.

I think it could be quite useful in construction, food trucks, events - any situation you normally see generators. However, even better for that kind of stuff would be a hybrid with a smaller battery, but a generator in the frunk (sort of like the Volt).

My self-built sprinter has seen it's solar-charged electrical system been used many times to power PA systems at parties and running events. Only 120VAC (no 240VAC), and only about 2.5kW/hrs of power available, but I've never needed close to that for anything it's been used for. I've used it a few times to run power tools, but that's when I most regret only having 1kW inverter instead of a 1.5kW one: a router or circular saw startup can trip the inverter breaker.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

mywittyname wrote: post #207
_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

The only gotcha with this, is that F150s are huge. I have an oversized garage and an F150 will barely fit. Many of my full-size truck driving neighbors opt to park in the driveway because they turn a modern two car garage into a 1.5 car garage unless designed specifically for giant vehicles. I haven't seen consumer chargers that are designed to be installed outside. Most people have wall chargers in their garages, bu…

I'm still waiting on the F350 EV :)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by michaelt »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #831
wearywanderer wrote: post #785

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Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... but not in the way you mean. It can be done safety, but when done incorrectly (if the house isn't removed from the grid first) it can kill linemen. It's a good thing most generators a homeowner might causally buy at the hardware store don't have this feature. Unfortunately I've seen male-to-male extension cords sold online for this purpose. I think thes…

> Backfeeding houses with generators is indeed a killer feature... oh, you mean like solar PV on-grid setups ...

Your basic solar inverter monitors the grid voltage, and if the grid goes down it stops generating.

Needless to say, if you're looking for a backup power source this isn't a property you want.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by oasisbob »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #315
anotherQuarter wrote: post #6

I hope the ability to use your EV battery to backup your house power becomes an expected capability in the future. Glad Ford included it. Too bad Tesla backed away from it, i’m guessing due to their powerwall business.

I'm interested to see if this leads to people living in places without power and using their truck as the sole source of electricity. If you have a small cabin with no a/c, wood heat, and a propane stove - your house is going to use hardly any power compared to your truck. It would barely make a difference.

I just can't see this use case.

The power draw is probably fine, but the contention for the battery would be a problem. Think, "hey honey, can we put off the Costco trip until next week so we can leave the internet up, and lights on?"

Implementing a transfer switch and dummy load just to dump solar generation when your truck is being a truck would feel like a weird exercise.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by vinay427 »

raspasov wrote: post #821
outworlder wrote: post #760

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> No comprehensive supercharger network. Agreed. I've been driving a Leaf since 2015 (two different generations by now) and the main reason that makes road trips unpalatable is NOT range. Not at all. Charging more often? Sure, whatever. Unless it's a business trip or a trip across the country it's fine. I've discovered some stuff I'd probably would never have otherwise, by routing via chargers in small towns. No, the…

>>> US highway speeds are crazy Crazy as in high or low? I-5 between San Francisco and LA is about ~70mph limit. That's ~113km/h. A lot of highways in Europe are often at 130km/h sometimes going up to 140km/h limit. P.S. And if you think those limits are even remotely observed, try a road trip in Italy or Bulgaria :P

I'm not sure they were drawing a specific comparison between the US and some other country, and there's quite a bit more diversity among European countries. There are at least many in which speed limits are stringently enforced using speed cameras or other more "ruthless" methods, accompanied with even heftier penalties than in most of the US. Meanwhile, I don't know if there are any states in which minor speeding is systematically enforced.
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