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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by tjpnz »

jturpin wrote: post #802
ianbutler wrote: post #758

I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…

I have not yet concluded whether I believe in free speech without limits, but I can at least say with confidence the following: - Freedom of speech is of extremely high importance for any free society and should not be taken for granted - Removing it in any capacity should be done with extreme care and free of any bias one way or another, with a lot of thought put into any future consequences - Speech without a platf…

>Speech without a platform isn't speech at all

Then nothing's really changed. Before social media people would write letters to the editor or be interviewed on the radio or TV. Publication of said speech was always at the sole discretion of the platform holder.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by paulddraper »

mikaeluman wrote: post #809

I’ve said it before: I find this highly disturbing. Especially the sense in which it is coordinated. Amazon, Google and Apple acting together to shut down a platform that has been very clear about its stance on content moderation from the outset. Free speech is not just any value. Sooner or later you will find yourself on the side of an issue where your speech will be attacked. Then there is the always present double…

"Hang Mike Pence" was temporary. But there are plenty of other examples.

I'm old enough to remember Kathy Griffin and Trump's severed head.

Or "If they even TRY to replace RBG we burn the entire fucking thing down". https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330

How is that not the same?

Regardless of whether there policy should or shouldn't be to remove violence, the bias in how they apply it is very clear.

EDIT: Feel free to downvote. Don't hold back.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by BenTheElder »

mikaeluman wrote: post #809

I’ve said it before: I find this highly disturbing. Especially the sense in which it is coordinated. Amazon, Google and Apple acting together to shut down a platform that has been very clear about its stance on content moderation from the outset. Free speech is not just any value. Sooner or later you will find yourself on the side of an issue where your speech will be attacked. Then there is the always present double…

Without commenting on the rest ...

> Then there is the always present double standard. Why did Twitter allow “Hang Mike Pence” to trend last night? Where are the suspensions and permanent bans?

Actually, they intervened and stopped it.

https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-stops-hang-mike-pence-trend...

Also note:

> Journalist Yashar Ali tweeted a screenshot of the topic trending, indicating that the phrase had been tweeted over 14,000 times. Ali noted that most people were "quot[ing] some of the insurrectionists" at the Capitol, rather than making direct threats against Pence. He wrote that the phrase "shouldn't be allowed to trend."

See also despite the URL: https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/twitter-allows-hang-mike-pence...

> “We blocked the phrase and other variations of it from trending. We want trends to promote healthy discussions on Twitter,” a company spokesperson told The Post. “There are Rules for trends — if we identify accounts that violate these rules, we’ll take enforcement action.”

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by 8note »

mikaeluman wrote: post #809

I’ve said it before: I find this highly disturbing. Especially the sense in which it is coordinated. Amazon, Google and Apple acting together to shut down a platform that has been very clear about its stance on content moderation from the outset. Free speech is not just any value. Sooner or later you will find yourself on the side of an issue where your speech will be attacked. Then there is the always present double…

I'm not clear how twitter shows a double standard? It's the trump folks who were chanting to hang mike pence, and their leader, trump, has been banned. I guess the double standard that the right wingers don't get banned soon enough? Or that wealthy stars don't get banned soon enough? Trump should have been banned before becoming president even

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by 8note »

jturpin wrote: post #802
ianbutler wrote: post #758

I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…

I have not yet concluded whether I believe in free speech without limits, but I can at least say with confidence the following: - Freedom of speech is of extremely high importance for any free society and should not be taken for granted - Removing it in any capacity should be done with extreme care and free of any bias one way or another, with a lot of thought put into any future consequences - Speech without a platf…

It's really just up to the government to nationalize the internet and popular News organizations, and provide proper equal access to all as protected by the constitution.

Nationalization is the answer you're looking for

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by ohthehugemanate »

ianbutler wrote: post #758

I'm just going to come out and say something that I've had a hard self reflective time coming to the conclusion of. I don't believe in free speech without limits. I have strongly felt that the actions taken by these companies is morally and ethically the right thing to do, for any business and that is inconsistent with believing in true free speech. My line for free speech seems to lie in speech that incites violence…

Every other Western democracy limits free speech by excluding "hate speech", which carries penalties. Maybe one of those definitions makes sense to you as a framework for what you would support in the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by sorethescore »

mikaeluman wrote: post #809

I’ve said it before: I find this highly disturbing. Especially the sense in which it is coordinated. Amazon, Google and Apple acting together to shut down a platform that has been very clear about its stance on content moderation from the outset. Free speech is not just any value. Sooner or later you will find yourself on the side of an issue where your speech will be attacked. Then there is the always present double…

It's not that complicated, when you incite violent insurrection against the government and people follow through with it, you get shut down. It's not like any of these platforms had a choice given Trump's violent rhetoric and history of lying.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

bigshell wrote: post #811

I'm not particularly fond of this. It's censorship. Parler wasn't doing anything illegal and Amazon had no legal reason to kick them off. I worry for the future. While I don't think the loss of parler is massive this is getting the censorship ball rolling.

Amazon's history of cutting off cloud resources to anyone that the government might frown at goes back almost as far as this history of AWS. For example, way back in 2010, Senator Lieberman had his staff call Bezos and basically say "Hey, you want fat AWS contracts? Cut off Wikileaks." Bezos complied immediately (and later issued a press release that said, effective, "we totally did it because Wikileaks was not complying with our terms of service and it totally wasn't because a Senator called us and told us to."
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