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Post by _lbaq »

meheleventyone wrote: post #736
082349872349872 wrote: post #110

One can also check easily-discoverable recent US military policy https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23347453 to discover that those who think these things through don't condone "looting ⊃ shooting". Bonaparte was a fan of the "whiff of grape" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_royaliste_du_13_v... but we all know how that ended.

Isn't it a long standing thing that the US Military use of force rules in warzones are generally more restrictive than the policies for use on their fellow citizens by police back home?

This is a very confusing post if you have followed American wars over the last 50 years.

Do you have any idea of the level of misery inflected abroad? How can that even be compared?

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Post by koheripbal »

ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> ...shoot American citizens for looting...

When the government uses violence to enforce the law... that's part of the system.

...but the more fundamental question is "Who gets to decide?". Should it be a corporation or an elected body?

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Post by meheleventyone »

trhway wrote: post #817
oneplane wrote: post #795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't that mostly have to do with the amount of training, responsibility, leadership etc. that comes with military hierarchy? It can still get pretty bad (coverup and/or violence wise), but it seems that at least they have some sense of the relationship between violent actions and their consequences.

>sense of the relationship between violent actions and their consequences exactly. Whatever you use in warzone you're risking that the same can be used against you, thus all the conventions on warzone weapons usage and prisoner treatment. Thus all the training, so that your soldiers wouldn't cross [too frequently] the redline to trigger the response. I remember reading for example that in WWI new young soldiers, i th…

So the police should be able to inflict horrible wounds without tactical benefit?

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Post by BubRoss »

logicslave wrote: post #826
zapita wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

"they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office" I think you are very far from reality

When Trump leaves office he will be open to an enormous amount of investigation, litigation and prosecution. I don't know how probable it is that he tries to stay in office, but I don't think it is zero. Twitter planning around that possibility seems be less likely.

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Post by koheripbal »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #589
koheripbal wrote: post #454

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Can you cite an alternative platform similar to twitter?

Mastodon is quite similar. Also, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, Medium, Blogger, etc. will all let you post content to a group of follower.

I don't think any of those are the same at all. That's like banning someone from using a refrigerator and telling him he can use picnic coolers instead.

These monopolies have their niche.

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Post by zzzeek »

ardy42 wrote: post #699
Animats wrote: post #79

Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…

> Somewhere a counter was just incremented. It's going to be amusing if Twitter management simply lets the automated system do its thing. At some point, after warnings, the standard 48-hour suspension will trigger. Twitter management can simply simply say "it is our policy not to comment on enforcement actions". I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter has exempted Trump's accounts from all automated moderation. However, I…

> about twelve seconds after he leaves office.

which will be in 18 years

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Post by koheripbal »

pfkurtz wrote: post #492
koheripbal wrote: post #445

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...where "fascist" is defined as: "anyone who disagrees with me".

Nope. Where it's defined as people enacting or cheering right wing authoritarian destruction of democratic society. Like the supporters of Donald Trump.

Feel free to keep putting those goal posts wherever you feel like today.

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Post by kyrra »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #823
umvi wrote: post #213

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> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting That's an extremely literal interpretation of his words. Most people would interpret that phrase to mean "you better think twice before looting because I'm not going to sit idly by and let you do it" but in the form of a vaguely threatening, yet catchy rhyme.

> Most people would interpret that phrase.. Even if you're right, which you're not, what is "Most" here? 51%? 63%? 90%? Are you saying that it's bad if the majority of people are riled up to engage in violence following his tweet, but OK if 40% do? 10%? 1%?

Probably depends on what you think of the intentions of the person. Some people think Trump is the devil and assume he means the worst-case thing when he says something, others look at it in other lights.

Previous US presidents were careful with their words, as they know people will interpret them in different ways if they aren't crystal clear. Trump just does stream-of-through -> keyboard -> twitter, and we get to see the results. Which tends to leave lots of what he says open to interpretation based on the perspective of the reader.

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Post by javagram »

logicslave wrote: post #826
zapita wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

"they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office" I think you are very far from reality

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-jokes-rigg...

> Since assuming office in January 2017, Trump has made at least 27 references to staying in office beyond the constitutional limit of two terms. He often follows up with a remark indicating he is “joking,” “kidding,” or saying it to drive the “fake” news media “crazy.” Even if Trump thinks that he’s only “joking,” the comments fit a broader pattern that raises the prospect that Trump may not leave office quietly in the event he’s on the losing end of a very close election.

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

chlodwig wrote: post #238
illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

and should have restricting not only violence glorifying posts, but also the ones with racial or sexual discrimination and all the others. Do you think tweets that make derogatory references to Karen's or "tech-bros" should be deleted? Should a Tweet that says, "There will be no peace as long as there is no justice for the centuries of white supremacy and centuries white people oppressing all other peoples." be banne…

And there is the crux of this argument, at least as it pertains to HackerNews. Which is the palpable fear that white supremacy focused rhetoric will be marginalized and de-platformed.
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