Why would you want to spend 2k+ on a laptop with an abysmal keyboard?
I buy $3k laptops. The only time they're not docked is when I'm on a plane or on my couch..
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#832HN is saturated beyond practical use, by both bike shedding and forum sliding, simultaneously. And oh yeah, bot brigades and mechanical turks.
Donglegate threatens to cleave a trillion dollar company from a crucial money gland that ejaculates valuable flotsam when palpated.
USB-C and headphone jacks. That's what stabbed the company in the aorta. Try to remove the knife and it bleeds out.
Tim Cook's homosexuality has been proven as incapable of effective leadership. Try and doubt this.
We wouldn't be here if we had a person in charge who gave a fuck about pulling pussy. Never trust a man that masturbates with another man's anus. Ring sphincters are for shitting. Moustaches shouldn't strain cum.
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I think everything you’re saying is right; but also it doesn’t matter. When my mum asks me which computer to buy, I’m not going to recommend the computer that has defects that I can explain away. I’m going to recommend the machine that works out of the box, where I won’t have to goof around with graphics drivers via PPI or whatever to make an external display work.
I agree with you and for a long time I recommended apple to others. But now I don’t feel comfortable doing that anymore because “it just works” no longer holds true.
My 2016 MacBook Pro has display issues, keyboard issues, the USB c power cable falls out sometimes. When I first got it, the machine sometimes crashed when connecting an external display. They fixed that, and then the machine would just not see the display sometimes until I reboot. I use an EGPU now - which performs better but the machine ends up needing a reboot (or just hard crashing) every week or two. It’s abysmal. Oh, and I’m starting to get the stage light effect on the display now. I’m relieved I’ll be able to get that fixed for free now, since I imagine it’s only going to get worse as the cable degrades. I feel like Apple snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’ll probably replace this machine in a year or two. I don’t want to run Linux or windows on my work laptop but I’ll do what I need to do in order to have a reliable computing environment. Since they’re near the end of this design cycle I’m hoping this 2019 edition or the one after have most of the design problems fixed. If not, Linux for windows is looking mighty fine these days.
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I have the previous generation NUC, a NUC7i5BNH, as my home computer. I put it in a Akasa fanless case, and it's wonderful — it's completely silent. I use Kubuntu, since I've been using KDE for 15 years. I use 5% of the configuration options — just by looking, you'd think it was a default install — but I really miss that 5% if I'm on a Mac or Windows.
Came here to say the same thing. If you can avoid using a laptop, I know many people can't, a desktop buys you a lot of freedom. Freedom to choose good components, a fanless case, and a functional OS like NixOS.
If I need a laptop for a meeting or to travel, I can either use "my" 5-year-old one, or the spare new one. Or the conference room desktop, which has a real keyboard and mouse.
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#835After 8 years of macbooks, after using the 2018 model, I switched to a Dell Precision 5530 running Ubuntu 18.04 and it is awesome. The hardware is great, and having Unix under it all was the only real reason I liked Macs (used to be hardware, too). Granted, I don't need Adobe stuff, or anything else that doesn't run or have an alternative on Ubuntu (although it is dual-booted with Win10, but I've never used it, just…
I've not had a single issue with the MacBook Pro yet. Not a single crash/kernel panic, no keyboard issues, no T2 or TouchBar issues. I open the laptop in the morning and it wakes from sleep and works all day. I almost only ever reboot it for system updates that require it so usually every 4-6 weeks.
I'm not super keen on the keyboard but it honestly isn't horrible to type on. I do worry about reliability though. However I am at almost 300 days of zero problems where I had issues with my XPS out of the box that seems are still not fixed having looked at /r/Dell on reddit recently. Shocking that Dell have taken close to a year and things like speaker pops are not resolved.
I also had a ThinkPad but sadly Lenovos quality control isn't what it used to be and the two units I received had hardware defects. And with modern ThinkPads being less serviceable (the new T series has soldered RAM, CPU and WiFi?!) I can see even Lenovo starting to go the Apple way with soldered storage within two years.
Also while I do no deny Apple screwed up with the butterfly keyboard I do feel all the attention being on Apple is a little unfair and can lead people to think Dell, Lenovo, Microsoft are much more reliable which just isn't true in my experience. In the past few years Microsoft's Surface line has without question been the worst laptop experience I have ever had with software and hardware issues not to mention even less repairability than Apple laptops!
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#836The 2018 model can't fully use the current hexa-core CPU so slapping another two cores in isn't going to help things. It is going to be basically useless outside of ~5 seconds turbo boost.
While I haven't had a keyboard issue it is a constant source of anxiety which sucks. I was really hoping Apple would go with a redesign this year (as unlikely as it was) and I had planned on selling this 2018 model and upgrade but with the same keyboard and a pointless CPU update in same body I will pass.
Hopefully next year we see a redesign with a decent keyboard. Also got my fingers crossed for a 120Hz ProMotion display.
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Just walk away from the Mac. Windows is perfectly viable for doing development, so is Linux. You can easily get a laptop that is cheaper and more reliable than a Macbook. About the only thing you'll be missing is a cool Apple sticker, but you can get those on eBay. Your wallet will thank you, and so will your fingers. A Macbook was a reasonable, even logical choice in 2012. Now, not so much. Apple can have me back if…
the touchpad performance on the mac is second to none. Can modern windows or linux come even close?
Admittedly the current MacBook trackpad is too big - but is otherwise functionally perfect in terms of its multi-touch and haptic feedback.
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Just walk away from the Mac. Windows is perfectly viable for doing development, so is Linux. You can easily get a laptop that is cheaper and more reliable than a Macbook. About the only thing you'll be missing is a cool Apple sticker, but you can get those on eBay. Your wallet will thank you, and so will your fingers. A Macbook was a reasonable, even logical choice in 2012. Now, not so much. Apple can have me back if…
the touchpad performance on the mac is second to none. Can modern windows or linux come even close?
Also, you can use the external Apple trackpad they sell with any OS.
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I recently was forced to upgrade by 2015 laptop at work because the battery life was finally short enough that I couldn't stand it. I hate dongles. The 2015 Macbook will stand as their last best laptop. Nothing about the 2018 laptop is better, it's only worse. I don't understand why they don't see this. There should really be a huge multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit for their keyboards and fixability to wake…
I upgraded from 2015 to 2018 at work recently and then went back to IT and asked if I could change my mind and trade back. The 2015 is nicer.