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F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by hyperpallium »

komali2 wrote: post #300
juris wrote: post #135

This wouldn't be a problem if ISP's weren't de facto monopolies. If there was competition in this space, then there would be incentive to improve the infrastructure and Internet speeds. However, ISP's kill competition by making legal arrangements with local governments to only do business with them, and by cutting competitors' cables. Since we have no way to guarantee reasonable speeds to small time websites now, we…

I've been thinking this over for the past couple months, because I was pretty sure this would be the outcome - that we would lose our net neutrality protection. So let's play out the worse case - Comcast, AT&T etc wait out the shitstorm and then start throttling traffic and packaging the internet, releasing cable-esque "plans." Is it feasible to just start running our own fiber to hubs? I want to learn more about the…

Also a possibility of ad hoc suburban networks, where each phone becomes a cell tower. User ISP.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by hueving »

sorrymate wrote: post #776
oh_sigh wrote: post #667

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have examples of outright falsehoods?

The Tax Plan will pay for itself. That is an outright falsehood. "Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), Congress's nonpartisan scorekeeper, predicted that the Senate tax bill would add about 0.1 percent more a year to growth over the next decade, far less than what Treasury says. JCT took into account the economic effects of the tax cuts on individual and business taxes, but not other policy changes advocated by the adm…

So your 'evidence' is based on a group that purports to see the economic future? That's hardly evidence.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by danans »

nightski wrote: post #753
tptacek wrote: post #127

The voters elected a Republican government. That a Republican-led FCC would err on the side of under-regulating telecommunications companies is about the least surprising outcome you can imagine. Anybody who told you that lobbying the FCC was going to make a difference here was, whether they meant to or not, selling a bill of goods. As someone who respects but mostly profoundly disagrees with principled Republican la…

You realize that Ajit Pai was appointed to the commission by Obama right?

It had nothing to do with Obama's preference.

Obama was required to appoint a Republican to the commission per the rule whereby the agency's commissioner seats must be split between the parties, with the tie breaking seat going to the party in control of the presidency.

Following these rules, when a Republican seat opened on the commission, Obama asked Mitch McConnell for an recommendation, and he suggested Pai. When Trump took over, Obama's FCC chairman Wheeler left the position, and Trump put Pai in his place, and replaced his former seat with another Republican, Brendan Carr.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by glass_of_water »

maxsilver wrote: post #457
komali2 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking this over for the past couple months, because I was pretty sure this would be the outcome - that we would lose our net neutrality protection. So let's play out the worse case - Comcast, AT&T etc wait out the shitstorm and then start throttling traffic and packaging the internet, releasing cable-esque "plans." Is it feasible to just start running our own fiber to hubs? I want to learn more about the…

> As a private citizen, can I (snip) just lay a super long fiber cable straight to (the internet). Yes. I worked on a startup ISP for a few years, which attempted to do this. It's actually really easy to do : 1) Pick a point where you can get connection to the internet. (Backhaul). This is usually a phone companies central office, but it can also be at a data centre or other point of presence. 2) Run fiber cable from…

What's the breakdown of the $50k/month/customer at the very beginning? Is most of the cost the equipment or leasing the backhaul connection?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by clebio »

rglover wrote: post #607
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA democracy is failing and this is something to freak out about.

It's failing for your point of view . Don't conflate that with democracy failing as a whole.

Nah, US democracy is in dire straits. It is failing. Not "democracy" in general or the abstract, but in the US, as a whole, it is.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by netn123 »

I haven't seen anyone else post anything along these lines, but doesn't this make it legal for the the government to ask/force/pay ISPs to hide sites (e.g. wikileaks, etc)? Maybe that is why politicians didn't really try to stop it?

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by hueving »

dang wrote: post #750
hueving wrote: post #696

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How ever did society function without the Internet? Were all leaders just dictators leading up to the 90s? It's hyperbolic crap like claiming this is the very foundation of free speech that leads people with opposing views to disengage, leave you to your echo chamber, and then surprise you when they pass regulation that represents their views.

You've been breaking the HN guidelines more than once in this thread. We've had to warn you about this before. When this keeps happening and people don't stop, we ban them, so please stop.

Please tell me how I broke the guidelines with this comment. Please keep in mind this is the level of hyperbole I replied to that you did not warn against.

>Without the Internet you have no chance of fighting against things like the new tax bill. It takes away your voice. It takes away all of our voices.

That type of comment ignores thousands of years of civilization through extreme hyperbole and you have felt the need to call my hyperbolic response out instead?

I've seen you complain about this community falling apart but this blatant partisanship on your behalf as a moderator is one of the reasons this happens. Anyone who disagrees with the main stream silicon valley politics is treated like a child.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by paulmd »

crimsonalucard wrote: post #791
tptacek wrote: post #127

The voters elected a Republican government. That a Republican-led FCC would err on the side of under-regulating telecommunications companies is about the least surprising outcome you can imagine. Anybody who told you that lobbying the FCC was going to make a difference here was, whether they meant to or not, selling a bill of goods. As someone who respects but mostly profoundly disagrees with principled Republican la…

Republicans don't support deregulation per se. That's just the cover story. Republicans just support big business, that's it. If regulations make businesses better? Why the hell not?

Yup, the obvious next step will be to go after muni ISPs. Republicans will be more than happy to regulate them out of existence.

Re: F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

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Post by wtf_is_up »

chasing wrote: post #632
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #120

Common response on HN for the past two months has been nothing short of hyperbolic. "The world will end if NN is repealed". Speaking as a conservative: When Obama was president, I got told the same thing about the ACA. The world will end, the sky is falling, America is finished. But eight years later, here I am, nothing's that much worse. I have no reason to believe this is "the beginning of the end" of anything. Lif…

> Speaking as a conservative: When Obama was president, I got told the same thing about the ACA. The world will end, the sky is falling, America is finished. But eight years later, here I am, nothing's that much worse. (You need to find better people to listen to.) And when things get bad, what do you expect that will look like? Mad Max-style desert hellscapes? No: It'll look pretty much like now. Except things will…

Sounds like San Francisco.
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