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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by mercurial »

reitanqild wrote: post #483
mercurial wrote: post #357

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So, as far as I'm aware, there is "racism-as-defined-in-some-academic-circles", where it's only racism when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group. Which is (IMHO) different from what non-academic people understand racism. Maybe that's what parent means?

> "when it's systematic and directed by a privileged ethnic group against an unprivileged ethnic group" Honest question: does it have to be directed by "a privileged ethnic group " or is it valid if it is by any general group or even a single, privileged person?

Presumably, the "privileged group" should have a perceived ethnic composition different from that of the "unprivileged group", otherwise discrimination can't be based on ethnicity. But I guess it doesn't mean that all members of that ethnic group need to share this outlook.

That said, I'm no academic, but I remember reading something about this a few years ago, in the case of a woman in France accused of anti-white racism.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by contravert »

argonaut wrote: post #613
mc32 wrote: post #550

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France takes this stance on matters of race. So much so any numbers regarding race in France are simply estimates because there are no official numbers. In practice so far, it hasn't fared any better, but probably not worse either. Like in the U.S., one of the biggest hindrances or obstacles to success is segregation (forced or by choice). Wanting success essentially entails assuming the culture and practices of the…

Do you look non-Asian? If you do, you will never be fully accepted in Chinese society, as I've heard from a few white people that have lived in China. Even if you marry and settle down there and raise kids.

How sure are you about that? Most "white" people don't actually fully integrate to the culture, despite marrying and raising kids.

Take a look at this video about a Chinese villager with Russian ancestry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rS30IjG05c

He is completely culturally Chinese, although in a rural kind of way, in his speech and mannerisms. If you can read Chinese, the comments are very inclusive.

"Non-Asian" people have settled in China for hundreds of years, especially Arab traders who arrived through the silk road. Multiculturalism is not a foreign concept in China.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by morgante »

humanrebar wrote: post #773
morgante wrote: post #653

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> "the right to free speak only protects you against the government" I strongly agree with that statement, but I also strongly object to the ouster of Eich. An opinion on one does not imply an opinion on the other. I support the right of the KKK to march through the streets, but that doesn't mean I should have to hire one of their members.

> I support the right of the KKK to march through the streets, but that doesn't mean I should have to hire one of their members. That's not the analogy. It's contrived, but to stick with the theme of white racists, is it ethical (legality aside) for a board full of clansmen to fire a CEO that donated to the ADL? To keep it simple, let's say the CEO is not Jewish, but does financially support the ADL.

> That's not the analogy.

I was making an oblique reference to a rather famous free speech case. [0]

> is it ethical (legality aside) for a board full of clansmen to fire a CEO that donated to the ADL?

No, but I have a hard time finding anything clansmen do ethical. If your ideology is motivated by bigotry, that's the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_Am...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dba7dba »

kyrra wrote: post #797
exstudent2 wrote: post #678

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The tweets in this article are militant. A Github employee actually said this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008... That would not be possible if it wasn't a dominant culture (without him getting fired).

As someone else here pointed out, that tweet is out of context. It was part of a 10+ tweet rant about politics and social medicine. (It still is a bit offensive, but less so than the article makes it out to be) https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297

Well I know this may be off topic but Mr Danilo's rant against US military seems narrow minded. It's BECAUSE we have US military that US citizens are not exposed to exposure, hunger, fear, rape.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by morgante »

sytse wrote: post #692
morgante wrote: post #650

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> It is not about the software. For me, it emphatically is about the software. Even for totally private repos, where popularity is not a factor, I continue to turn to Github because the UIs for both Bitbucket and GitLab continue to stand in the way of me easily getting shit done.

Anything we can improve in GitLab to make getting shit done easier?

Focus on minimizing the friction to doing the most common tasks.

Ex. by far the most common thing I'm doing when going to a repo is looking up a file and doing something with it. So why isn't a file list the first thing which comes up when I open a repo?

Also, generally work on visual hierarchy more. GitHub does a great job of this and it makes the UI both efficient and pleasant. For example, you show the latest commit on a repo's homepage but it is very poorly differentiated from the content around it. This makes scanning the page much harder.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by blueflow »

anotherc wrote: post #624
blueflow wrote: post #468

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From my view, race seems arbitrary. You could also split people into blue-eyed and brown-eyed or something. It still doesn't say anything about that person. Its just that many normal persons act like its a huge difference.

> From my view, race seems arbitrary. You could also split people into blue-eyed and brown-eyed or something. You could pick any societal construct or experience and say it doesn't matter to you. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You could say money is just paper and ones and zeros in a database so you shouldn't have to use it but you are deluding yourself.

Its a pretend-game anyway and i'm well aware of it.

Money justifies itself because it allows trade and therefore specialization of individuals. Its required for the technological progress we already done.

Same goes with Companies, Math, or most Science things.

Race is used by people who want to discriminate (independent of direction) or seek justification by victim-hood (and everything derived). Both are harmful behaviors. I will not support that.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by Joof »

It's hard to have a meritocracy when a limited set of people make decisions for (or otherwise own) the company and are beholden to VC money.

The flat structure is better for creating new products than squeezing money out of what exists.

If people want this type of company, they have to build the company and product around those principles.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by gaius »

kyrra wrote: post #797
exstudent2 wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tweets in this article are militant. A Github employee actually said this: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2f12e526555008... That would not be possible if it wasn't a dominant culture (without him getting fired).

As someone else here pointed out, that tweet is out of context. It was part of a 10+ tweet rant about politics and social medicine. (It still is a bit offensive, but less so than the article makes it out to be) https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297

Taking one post out of context is pure #hnwatch technique, tho'.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by raquo »

proc0 wrote: post #828
raquo wrote: post #684

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No thanks. I'll talk about race the same way I talk about eye color. I'll talk about culture the same way I talk about TV preferences. Without hysteria. Fuck racists. Fuck spineless "don't you dare mention race" bullshit. Both are equally cowardly.

The moment you mention race, you are fighting the racist's battle. Instead if you avoid it, you are side-stepping and leaving the racists on their own ground, where they are just insane and/or ignorant people. History gave us inaccurate representations of people, and racists use these to spew their hatred. Why promote the tool and framework for racists to continue using?

Your argument, the way I see it: "People say lies about race[0]. So let's not talk about race anymore". This is, appallingly, the current state of the art of racial discussions in the west.

Try to apply that logic to any other subject however, and the insanity will reveal itself.

"People say lies about used cars. So let's not talk about used cars anymore"

"People say lies about the mistakes of The One Party. So let's not talk about the mistakes of The One Party anymore"

There is no excuse for suppressing legitimate, non-racist speech on racial issues. Also, that kind of speech exists, and if you haven't heard it, that's because decent people around you are scared shitless of being labelled a racist for bringing up race, however innocuously. And actual racists don't care. Which exactly the scenario that your argument is designed to enable.

[0] every racist statement is by definition a lie. That's very important.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by tdkl »

jgowans wrote: post #796
tdkl wrote: post #520

Just wow. I'm thinking about pulling my personal Jekyll site hosted off GitHub pages and host somewhere else. Not sure about the alternatives though, with custom domain support. Ah well, a nice weekend task.

One option is to host the repo on Bitbucket and use the Aerobatic ( https://www.aerobatic.com ) static hosting add-on. Free custom domain and more, included. disclaimer - I'm one of the founders of Aerobatic.

Thanks, I already stumbled upon Aerobatic and it's in Todo list for trying it out :] One thing though, is it possible to use a naked domain ? Although I could use CloudFlare which supports ALIAS records.
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