Like any hype cycle some of it is… hype
And like anything in the world things change.
So will there be change in the way we code? Certainly. Are some claims overstated? Certainly.
Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
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Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
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> Vlang is a ridiculous project With over 37,500 stars, over 2,300 forks, 826 contributors, books written on it (in Japanese and Portuguese, besides English), and a Wikipedia page; vlang is clearly a significant and successful open-source project. > entirely driven by hype People can plainly see Zig (and other HN pushed languages) directly engaging in marketing propaganda and hype (with HN accounts clearly stating th…
I don't see any hate in these references. Perhaps just truths you don't want to hear. I've seen your name pop up multiple times in past conversations about V in response to anything less than positive. What's your involvement with the language to watch its discussions so ardently?
Yeah this is why Vlang is banned from discussion on HN; any time it comes up people have a critical thing to say about Vlang, these guys descend with paragraphs, links, and a list of grievances about how their language is slandered and hated by people fueled with envy. Doesn’t matter if it’s buried in a thread in a comment section in an unrelated story, these guys rush in to defend the honor of Vlang.
Meanwhile, years later Vlang still have not delivered on the initial claims that made the language even remotely interesting.
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What is the behaviour that Jarred was called out for that was not related to Bun?
Being a bad manager. That’s a very personal attack.
if he actually was, then it's not a personal attack but stating facts about a person - there's a meaningful difference.
A personal attack has no informational value (about the accused), while bringing to light bad qualities of a person does - especially if those qualities are related to the issue at hand, which in this particular situation seems to be the case.
Again, the distinction between a personal attack and proper characterisation of bad qualities rests on actual facts i.e. was it slander or was he really a bad manager?
I don't know but I personally give less probability to the former than the latter.
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People repeat that figure of speech because it's a meme (in the original sense of the word), not because it's unconditionally true.
No, they repeat it because it's literally true.
Let me guess: you know that it's literally true because everyone repeats it, right?
Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
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Oh, I get that. That’s what I’m saying. I hear “Better C” and my initial reaction is “what’s the point”. Like, why would you aim for “Worse C++”? I mean, compile times. That’s fair.
Even those aren't that bad, when using C++20 modules, coupled with binary libraries. Granted we "aren't modules" yet, unless being on latest compilers with msbuild/cmake/ninja tooling.
Perhaps theoretically, with good practice, but at my job it’s fucking brutal.
But to your larger point I would much rather work on improving that than let it drive me back to C fetishism.
Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
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You write Better C and the first thing I think about is D-lang.
you write D-lang and all I can think of is too much nonsense you have to tell a team (an LLM?) to avoid the temptation to use.
Fall into it. I am rewriting all my projects in D-lang.
It is really that good.
Particularly when compared to Zig and Rust.
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Where is D-lang in your car analogy? Would it be a Ferrari? :)
Can't remember the exact featureset of the popular D one (because boy, was there many languages called D and E and so on over the years in the 80s/90s), I'd say to be a car it needs both temporal and bounds safety at the least but faintly I remember D being a bit of a kitchen sink? Wasn't there 2 standard libraries for a while? Were they even coherent in style/used language features?
There's one standard library now, it has great C/C++ interop, and the language features make more sense to me than C++, go, rust, Java, even Python.
If Rust is gaining popularity because it is an alternative to C++, D-lang needs to be included into that conversation, IMO.
Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
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> If being a bad manager is the direct cause of a poor working relationship and bad engineering results, pointing it out is not a personal attacks. The post did no such thing — it spread rumors and leaned into gossip. There’s no proof or evidence or examples whatsoever offered by Kelley except Jarred’s own public words, which means the post didn’t reveal or expose anything about his management.
It doesn't need to expose something as new to point out a causal link? Someone saying that work-life balance means all work and no life, and then producing substandard quality at said work seems worth pointing out. A trillion dollar company vibe-porting a vibe-coded low quality product for clout/advertisement seems worth a call-out.
No causal link was demonstrated, only gossip. Maybe if evidence was provided you could say that, but that’s not what happened.
Re: Zig Creator Calls Spade a Spade, Anthropic Blows Smoke
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>There seems to be a team sport mentality with AI topic in HN these days. Almost feels like people are picking sides, and thus not being very thoughtful or rational. If you are financially set for the rest of your life - Pro AI If you are not financially set for the rest of your life - Anti AI
We've had this discussion since the first beta of chatgpt was out and you "completely rational" people keep insisting AI is 100% perfect and better than any software developer. Just because it's better than you doesn't mean it's better than everyone else :)
>and you "completely rational" people keep insisting AI is 100% perfect and better than any software developer.
I don't think I know of a single person who has seriously suggested that.
I think the most optimistic I have heard is that it might be the case that they will be better at some point in the future, with unrealistic timelines suggested,