https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47937256 Does the new 24-hour process mean the apps will need to be uninstalled and reinstalled? That would mean the user's existing data in the could be lost in the process.
Your phone is about to stop being yours
821–830 of 927 posts
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#822Earlier quoted context omitted.
- calendar - spending tracking app - notepad - RSS reader just for my YouTube subscriptions - dumbed down browser that can only show YouTube video and nothing else (no suggestions, no comments) - space sim game - RC boat remote control - micro photo led ring Bluetooth control app - magnetometer control app - RSS reader for news - browser
That's cool. What made you develop a custom browser, notepad, calendar etc?
Probably a NIH syndrome. Once you know how to make apps it's easy, notepad took me maybe 20 minutes.
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#823Since Google is planning to apply this retroactively, people should be allowed to return their phones for a refund. Also, could someone use a warranty claim to ask them to replace with a device that does not have this issue?
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#824Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So much for vibe-coding apps for personal or niche use You will still be able to do that...
The article has a whole page about how, while it is still technically possible, it is a massively messy, deliberately intimidating, 9-step process that takes 24 hours. That looks to me like an entirely unusable and unacceptable situation if you want to just vibe-code up a little app to track your bike club rides or something. The 15 minute cycle of: Looks good -» save-» install -» start debugging, oops, I've got to f…
> Becomes a 25-hour cycle involving
It's not a cycle. You do it once. One time you wait 24h, and that's it.
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#825Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The 100% free open-source is just marketing. 100% FLOSS is in the OS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25504641 . It is not the end of the road, but this is the only phone that can run such OS. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47943487
It's basically taking the blobs that would be normally shipped with the OS in a sensible manner, shuffle it around, then calling it "free" while the same blobs would still be there, just on different flash storage chips.
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47943487
You keep repeating this everywhere. Consider reading what a Librem 5 developer says instead, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47943487
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#826Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good links, thank you. I agree that my protection is not perfect in general. Fortunately I do not open random websites on my phone; I have my laptop with Qubes OS for that. > Adding an extension that can access all your browsing data doesn't seem very secure either. This is not just a random extension but an officially recommended one, https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/recommended-extensions-... . It's also regula…
> Fortunately I do not open random websites on my phone That's the main use for almost everyone. You're suggesting people use a less secure device and are stating that it's more secure if they don't use it in the way it's mostly used? That doesn't sound like freedom. That sounds like living in paranoia. You bring up FUD in so many comments, but you seem to be living it. Ironically though, you choose to use systems th…
You missed that I do not recommend Librem 5 to "almost everyone". We are not on a normies forum but on HN.
Also, I do not recommend Librem 5, when somebody asks for a secure device. I mention it, when somebody asks about alternatives to the duopoly, a possibility to have a full, general-purpose computer in a pocket allowing you to tinker with it, or wants to run GNU/Linux baremetal. Such people aren't the audience of GrapheneOS anyway.
And I'm not against GrapheneOS. I never said it was less secure than Librem 5 for typical tasks. I only say, that if you want to have a third option, you can have it today. There will be compromises, which can be dealt with by technical users.
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#827Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Fortunately I do not open random websites on my phone That's the main use for almost everyone. You're suggesting people use a less secure device and are stating that it's more secure if they don't use it in the way it's mostly used? That doesn't sound like freedom. That sounds like living in paranoia. You bring up FUD in so many comments, but you seem to be living it. Ironically though, you choose to use systems th…
You missed that I do not recommend Librem 5 to "almost everyone". We are not on a normies forum but on HN. Also, I do not recommend Librem 5, when somebody asks for a secure device. I mention it, when somebody asks about alternatives to the duopoly, a possibility to have a full, general-purpose computer in a pocket allowing you to tinker with it, or wants to run GNU/Linux baremetal. Such people aren't the audience of…
> We are not on a normies forum but on HN.
Being on HN does not mean that you are familiar with the intricacies of hardware and low-level software.
> I only say, that if you want to have a third option, you can have it today. There will be compromises, which can be dealt with by technical users.
I think it’s irresponsible to promote it as an alternative device without noting that it’s less secure and full of footguns. Also, disingenuous to promote it as FOSS when it only fits that definition under FSF technicalities. And lastly, to promote it as more open than phones with AOSP distros that utilize the same set of proprietary hardware, just with different communication mechanisms/boundaries.
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#828Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android is developed by the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of mobile industry giants . https://web.archive.org/web/20260420021444/https://www.openh... Openness for end-users was never a tenet. It is a very HN view to think that open-source equals freedom for users, and to state that it was a promise when it never was.
Freedom for users was the motivating factor that created open source in the first place. Rewriting history to serve your own ends doesn't help your credibility.
I don’t know what you’re going on about “rewriting history”. I never mentioned the history of open source.
From the Open Handset Alliance:
“The Android platform will be made available under one of the most progressive, developer-friendly open-source licenses, which gives mobile operators and device manufacturers significant freedom and flexibility to design products.”
Give mobile operators and device manufacturers freedom, not consumers.
If anything, the people claiming that Android was created for freedom for consumers are rewriting history.
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#829Earlier quoted context omitted.
> at major universities and research centres So not common outside of ivory towers, no?
Before IBM PC computer's weren't particularly commonplace outside of ivory towers either.
You're forgetting the big three, all of which predated the 5150 PC - Commodore PET, Apple II, and TRS-80.
Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours
#830Respectfully, I think this is the wrong fight. And I fear it may be counter-productive, because all the effort put into asking Google to make it a little less painful to install an unverified app is not put into the real fight. IMHO, it should be fine for Google or Apple to do whatever they want with their OS. What should be forbidden is to prevent people from installing an alternative OS on their hardware. But this…
Sorry but what a ridiculous take. There are two phone options in the western world: iphone and android. 99.99% of the people aren't' going to even fathom they could install their own OS on a phone or whatever. There is a clear MONOPOLY on phones and to even further take away the right to just install something on it is crazy. I already hate Apple for that, but there's no recourse in the monopolistic & capitalistic US…
I’d say that it’s more of a cartel. The mobile network operators, the mobile device manufacturers, the mobile OS developers. They all work together in their consortiums to make money together.
It’s a bit obvious when you look at the supply chain where “competitors” supply each other with parts.
RF hardware is heavily regulated by governments, so a truly open-for-consumer hardware solution won’t exist.