Do they train for a “no quarter“ conflict where injured or surrendered combatants are killed?
Unless I missed something, Only Hegseth was promising no quarter (ie war crimes)
We should be clear that Hegseth is not an officer in the US military, and this is clearly an illegal order. The fact that he has fired the JAGs who would tell him that is unsurprising, but does not change the facts. Any such killings would expose the individuals to a USMCJ Article 118 charge.
There were thousands of iranian jets shot down but the worlds go crazy when a single us jetzt was shot down
US jets are massively more expensive and supposed to represent the state of the art. While the models used by Iran are considered to be museum pieces by any country that can afford more modern ones.
Much more relevant to the current conflict is that it invalidates the claim that Iran's air defense capabilities are gone.
During the entire gulf war (Iraq, 1990-91), only two F-15s were shot down via surface-to-air engagement. At the time, Baghdad was known to have the highest density of SAM protection out of any city in the world. An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign.
They've been flying straight into sites that would normally be heavily defended with 4th gen airframes, it's not that surprising that Iran finally managed to get one
If you're suggesting that the US submarine should have rescued the survivors - with respect I think you don't understand how submarines work. They have no capability to perform rescue operations. They have no way to handle mass numbers of injuries, there's normally just one corpsman (basically a medic) on board. Even if they want to do a rescue operation they have no place to put them. Subs barely have room for their…
Subs in WW2 rescued survivors all the time until the US bombed a rescue operation and ended the gentleman's agreement. https://www.beachesofnormandy.com/didyouknow/Did_you_know_wh... There was zero threat to that American submarine, they fired on an unarmed ship that the US Navy had just held ceremonial activities with literally days prior. Absolutely disgusting behaviour but we can't expect anything less from the Am…
Modern subs don't run on the surface routinely like WWII subs did. Practically all they could do would be float some life boats up, but they were probably >10 nm away, so it wouldn't have been in position to deliver them promptly.
So how is this not flagged, whereas this other post lasted literally minutes before being flagged? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47612053 75000+ palestinians killed, arguably one of the defining crimes of our age are not worth HN discussion (“politics”) but one F15E shot down in a war of choice is (apparently, “tech”)?
You don't see anything about Russias invasion either. 1.5 million casualties and counting.
The Hormuz issue proves that the west never had an ability to economically sanction Iran, au contraire Iran can actually sanction us - and they are. This is what real sanctions look like. The west broke the deal, attacked like terrorists, and are now being sanctioned.
That's not what a sanction is. Iran has been subjected to sanctions for a number of decades.
The "50,000 murdered protesters" is blatant atrocity propaganda to launder the actual mass murder of civilians and failed illegal regime change war by the United States and Israel. Nothing more. It is a lie told with the blackest of intentions. "Who cares if we murdered 170 schools girls? The evil regime murdered 50 gorillian civilians so it's okay when we do it!"
this just says that you believe the Iranian regime and don’t believe the western democracies, nothing else. there are names of people killed, and videos of hangings, and videos of basij forces shooting at people on the streets, easy to find. there are videos of Iranians celebrating the bombing of regime symbols – saying all of its "atrocity propaganda" doesn’t make it not be true.
Google "human rights in Iran" if you think killing of protesters is a lie. Clearly you are here to spread agenda.
For any non-bigots that want to see truth, even if it doesn’t align with hating on Americans, Jews and the West. Iran based account exposing human rights abuses by the Islamic regime in Teheran https://www.instagram.com/hengaw_english/
The problem is that the losses indicate something worse. A breakdown of doctrinal disciplin- mostly created by chronic underestimation of advesaries in the region. If Israel can pulp the proxxies that easy, iran would be easy. Thus it was not necessary to do what ukraine does- mostly keeping planes in the air so they are not bombed on the runway, rotating them among bases - etc. Which is specified as a strategy in th…
> breakdown of doctrinal disciplin- mostly created by chronic underestimation of advesaries in the region "Keep in mind that the greatest entities, whether they are cities or nations, are the ones most susceptible to the pride that comes before a fall." Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War
Not sure if it was actually used, but a fun idea for pilot recovery.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_ROE_Rotorcycle
The Fulton recovery system[1] using a self-inflating balloon was used in production. Though if Iranian air defenses are capable of shooting down an F-15, mounting a rescue operation with a C-130 may not be the brightest idea. Anyone know the minimum speed of a B-2? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery...
Iranian Air defense getting lucky is different to it being impenetrable.
This is not a binary situation, and a lucky F-15 kill would not make it a good idea to concentrate more assets in an area where the US will now focus more resources.
During the entire gulf war (Iraq, 1990-91), only two F-15s were shot down via surface-to-air engagement. At the time, Baghdad was known to have the highest density of SAM protection out of any city in the world. An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign.
> An F-15 being shot down in Iran after weeks of strategic bombing of their anti-air defense systems is not a good sign. Why? We don't know exactly what happened but its easy to imagine that Iran held some anti-air systems in reserve for this phase of the war. They aren't trying to defend a target, their goal was likely to stay hidden and wait for an opportunity. They could keep the radar off and use a passive sensor…
Why would that not be a bad sign? The US declared victory several times, but clearly Iran still has plenty of firepower to shoot down planes, and probably also ships in the Strait. If the US is incapable of preventing Iran from shooting ships and planes, how do they intend to win this?