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Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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> Judging by the fact it's 2026 you must be writing this from the Mars base SpaceX was started in 2001. It announced Falcon 9 and messaged its reusability ambitions in 2005. Falcon 1 wasn’t going anywhere because making rockets is too hard. Falcons 5 and 9 weren’t going anywhere because medium lift is a different ball game. Falcon Heavy wasn’t going anywhere because timing that many engines impossible. Reuse is impos…

> But they’re ridiculously good at not persisting with stupid. They are persisting with HLS though.

Ughhh, Elon Moosk amirite? Such a fraud, because [???]

I don't really understand why these kinds of comments persist except as some pathological cope when confronted with a world that doesn't work the way you want it to.

It's not convincing, it immediately outs you as a zealot, it's counterproductive in every single way. Why keep doing it?

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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That's not even remotely true. They talked in great detail about heat shield fragmentation Artemis I, it's failure modes, the prospect of it getting worse with new designs and a number of other things at much greater detail than you are. Your comments show a fraction of the effort and detail of the thing you're criticizing and you could have made your best argument five comments ago if you were ever actually going to…

You are obviously very invested in the fact that someone who is going against the grain of the obviously bad, overly buerocratic government agency MUST be correct (otherwise, in the case you actually gave a fuck about the truth, you would be researching statements from NASA and comparing the reports) If that is so, put your money where you mouth is and place a bet on polymarket. If you are too scared to do so, then a…

I don't think "you're being contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian" pairs particularly well with "if you're so convinced then just bet on in bro" as an argument.

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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> But they’re ridiculously good at not persisting with stupid. They are persisting with HLS though.

> They are persisting with HLS though Through what? What experimental data do you think renders this path foolish? Because I’m seeing a rapid-reuse heavy lift system with a fuel depot being built.

I dunno, the fact that nobody can say how many fuel launches a moonshot is going to take, but at least 12? And that the lunar orbit chosen due to available energy makes rapid extraction impossible?

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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> They are persisting with HLS though Through what? What experimental data do you think renders this path foolish? Because I’m seeing a rapid-reuse heavy lift system with a fuel depot being built.

I dunno, the fact that nobody can say how many fuel launches a moonshot is going to take, but at least 12? And that the lunar orbit chosen due to available energy makes rapid extraction impossible?

> the fact that nobody can say how many fuel launches a moonshot is going to take, but at least 12?

Nobody has ever done in-orbit propellant transfer or storage. We’re building it to see what those numbers shake out to, and how the propellant gets lost. (Boil off? Leaks? Incomplete transfer? Weird, unexpected degradation because space? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.)

If it works, it dramatically reduces the cost of lunar and deep-space access. You’re saying that isn’t worth it because it isn’t certain? This is spaceflight. Nothing is certain. We have to weigh risks and payoffs. And then mitigate them. The time for mitigating this risk is this (and probably next) year. If the refuelling is dumb, the plan changes—Blue Origin is testing its own approach on the same timeline.

Like, in Apollo 11 we fucked up the lander’s fuel budget. The astronauts were literally running out of fuel because a foreseeable problem, the surface being bumpier than expected, wasn’t contingency planned for over ten preceding missions. And we’re trying to do better than just retreading Apollo, because Apollo—strategically—failed as a platform for further manned spaceflight.

> the lunar orbit chosen due to available energy makes rapid extraction impossible

Isn’t NRHO an Orion limitation? Can Orion circularise on its own?

Also, rapid extraction hasn’t been a requirement for the Moon since ever? If you want rapid extraction, plant a ship that can motor off the Moon home in one shot as an emergency-egress option down the road. In the meantime, you’re days away from help under ideal circumstances; realistically, we don’t have rescue options.

Starship might be crap. But the bets look good, and the project is on the whole no more ambitious than the original Apollo missions. The criticisms you’re raising are either fundamental to the mission architecture because it’s developing a new spacefaring capability (refueling and rapid relaunch) or cost-cutting choices irrelevant to HLS (Orion’s second stages being efficient but underpowered).

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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Escape velocity is 25,020 mph (6.95 mps), so not completely surprising. Note that escape velocity applies to a situation without continued propulsion and also without air resistance, but still you can imagine that the order of magnitude is similar.

Thank you for that precision "without continued propulsion", because when talking about rockets, physics teachers always talk about escape velocity, as if it was an absolutely necessary condition to escape earth's gravity. But can't you escape gravity slower, just by going higher and higher at lower speed? Like a plane? (ie not vertically, but at an angle)

No, the absolute minimum speed IS required. Anything below that and you’re just making your orbit elliptical.

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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The distinction is kind of meaningless, advancing our engineering capabilities in space is advancing the science. And as I said, agreed on the concerns about cost and sending humans.

> The distinction is kind of meaningless Only if it helps you to call this "science", I would say. > advancing our engineering capabilities in space is advancing the science In this case, we are advancing our engineering capabilities to make humans survive in space, which is arguably completely useless . Not only that, but we keep focusing on the easier and fun part for engineers. A real problem for surviving in spac…

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Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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> That we probably could have developed without the space program for a fraction of the cost, if we're being honest I don't think so. Some people are good at small tasks and stewardship. Some people want to ambitiouslyl build. If there isn't a space program, the engineers who were inspired to join NASA cannot be assumed to have gone into semiconductors or material science. They probably wound up, in the alternate tim…

> If there isn't a space program, the engineers who were inspired to join NASA [...] probably wound up, in the alternate timeline, bureaucrats or financiers. I guess this is why in this timeline, all engineers in the world are at NASA working on sending humans to space, and everybody else in the world is a bureaucrat. Do you actually know any kind of engineering that is not happening at NASA? Because it may explain y…

> guess this is why in this timeline, all engineers in the world are at NASA

How does this follow? Are you arguing the Moon programs didn’t increase American engagement in STEM?

The point is the people who worked on a partial solution to a terrestrial problem because they were working on space may not be inspired—or incentivized—to work on that problem directly. We’re willing, as a society, to spend big on the Moon. Spending big on creek maintenance and desal, comparatively, is boring. Yet both benefit from the first.

> you actually know any kind of engineering that is not happening at NASA?

Yes. Have you done any heavy engineering?

> it may explain your bias here

Do tell me, someone who has never worked at or particularly close to NASA, what my bias is here.

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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That's true, most of these comments are just drive by pessimism by people who just skim headlines and don't really care to deeply understand the topics being discussed.

That’s a good 75% of HN these days.

Nice drive by pessimism.

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Because we have gone backwards so any advancement requires some repetition.

Strange that SpaceX doesn’t seem to be suffering from that limitation. Could it be that the real problem is pork barrel spending and government wastefulness?

What are you talking about? SLS is on the way to the Moon now. Starship is still in development. SpaceX only exists because of massive NASA subsidy. Any success from SpaceX is thanks to NASA.

Re: Artemis II Launch Day Updates

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My point is that DOGE killed a bunch of government programs that help people while saving no money, yet this giant waste of money survived. Cancelling Artemis II alone in favor of III would save a billion dollars by itself.

> government programs that help people Like spending $1.5 million on DEI programs in Serbia? That actually happened.

Multiply by 1000. Then multiply by 10. And that is expenditure on another country but instead of for promoting equity (how can anyone be against DEI as it is properly defined???) it is spent on slaughter.
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