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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by WalterBright »

wiseowise wrote: post #816
WalterBright wrote: post #793

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> billion dollar companies (like Starbucks killing mom and pop shop) have disproportionately more power over individuals or what are you saying? They have zero power over individuals. They cannot make you work. They cannot prevent you from working for someone else. They cannot arrest you. They cannot confiscate things from you. They cannot tell you were to live. They cannot shoot your dog. They cannot evict you. They…

> They have zero power over individuals. What’s your net worth? How much do you own at moment? How much have you inherited? > They cannot tell you were to live. Yes, they can. If you don’t have money to pay for mortgage, you have to leave. > They cannot shoot your dog. No, but landlord can say “no dogs”, which will reduce your pool of rental options. > They cannot evict you. The banks and government will, right. > Th…

If you hire a guy to mow your lawn once a week, are you obliged to provide that gig to him for life?

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by sweezyjeezy »

ahtihn wrote: post #493
niek_pas wrote: post #406

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> As a result, today is your last working day. As a European, I never realized that this is allowed under US labor law. That is absolutely insane. EDIT: some commentors have pointed out that the workers collect severance and unemployment --- I was not aware this is law in California, and that changes matters. I would, though, still find being suddenly out of a job fairly traumatic.

As a European, this seems normal? When someone is fired, they generally stop working immediately while getting paid through the notice period.

> After careful consideration of Oracle’s current business needs, we have made the decision to eliminate your role as part of a broader organizational change.

That is being laid off, not being fired - big difference. Being fired means being let go for poor performance / bad behaviour. No severance or grace period is necessary there (will be written in the contract). Being made redundant, particularly a redundancy of this size is quite well protected in EU. Typically negotiations between HR and representatives of the laid off group are required, you will continue to work (officially at least) until negotiations are over, as you are not officially out yet. This usually takes a few weeks.

I can tell you this from personal experience...

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by porridgeraisin »

alephnerd wrote: post #86
SlinkyOnStairs wrote: post #79

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That isn't though. Both Cerner (EHR) and NetSuite (ERP) were laggards in their market segments for years. If I'm the Director of Enterprise Applications and have a budget allocated to procurement, I have no reason to purchase a laggard product like Cerner or NetSuite even with the Oracle bundle when SAP is giving significant discounts because OpenAI, Anthropic, and GCP are offering partnerships with systems integrati…

In india, most of the firings happened in OFSS, Database and OCI.

That seems to be a bit of contradiction to your thesis no? OCI is their golden goose now for example.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by nickpp »

wiseowise wrote: post #293
WalterBright wrote: post #247

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> layoffs are deeply immoral It's no more immoral than you deciding to buy from Safeway, even though you'd been buying from Fred Meyer before.

Safeway won’t starve and die if I decide to buy from Fred Meyer. You really don’t see that an individual is not on equal footing with multibillion company? It is absolutely immoral. And I’m not even talking about charity, those people were hired and did actual job for the fucking trillion dollar company.

> Safeway won’t starve and die if I decide to buy from Fred Meyer.

Ironically, you (along with a significant number of others) deciding to buy from a competitor will eventually lead to financial trouble for Safeway and thus to layoffs and losses for their investors (pension funds among them).

So, do you find your decision to buy from Fred Meyer "absolutely immoral"?!

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by kasabali »

dominotw wrote: post #582
HDThoreaun wrote: post #565

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Even if the number is 10% they want the company to take risks. Big tech shareholders number one goal is not becoming IBM

anyone can get any random shower thought funded by this logic. Thats not how investing works.

I mean, as an outsider, this is exactly how it seems to be working.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by CaptainZapp »

pjmlp wrote: post #803
CaptainZapp wrote: post #633

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SQL Server was Sybase until (I think) version 4.9, just rebranded as Microsoft SQL Server. Then the two versions split and I don't think that any of the Sybase source code remains in what is SQL Server today. That said, a lot of the concepts (like a significant number of system stored procedures) and also TSQL remain almost the same, with small differences (except for system functions, which SQL Server has a lot more…

I wrote a connector for Sybase back in 2000, based on our existing one for MS SQL Server 7, and some things had already changed on the protocol level. I don't remember exactly what and why, just that for some specific DML commands another kind of connection was required.

The split must have happened in the mid nineties (I think) with SQL Server 6 and Sybase 10. The next version after 4.9.

It's notable that 10 was the worst Sybase version, ever.

Source: I worked for Sybase Professional Services from 95 - 99.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by wiseowise »

WalterBright wrote: post #821
wiseowise wrote: post #816

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> They have zero power over individuals. What’s your net worth? How much do you own at moment? How much have you inherited? > They cannot tell you were to live. Yes, they can. If you don’t have money to pay for mortgage, you have to leave. > They cannot shoot your dog. No, but landlord can say “no dogs”, which will reduce your pool of rental options. > They cannot evict you. The banks and government will, right. > Th…

If you hire a guy to mow your lawn once a week, are you obliged to provide that gig to him for life?

I’m not Oracle or Starbucks, stop shifting goalposts.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by wiseowise »

nickpp wrote: post #824
wiseowise wrote: post #293

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Safeway won’t starve and die if I decide to buy from Fred Meyer. You really don’t see that an individual is not on equal footing with multibillion company? It is absolutely immoral. And I’m not even talking about charity, those people were hired and did actual job for the fucking trillion dollar company.

> Safeway won’t starve and die if I decide to buy from Fred Meyer. Ironically, you (along with a significant number of others) deciding to buy from a competitor will eventually lead to financial trouble for Safeway and thus to layoffs and losses for their investors (pension funds among them). So, do you find your decision to buy from Fred Meyer "absolutely immoral"?!

I don’t think there’s any point in having a conversation with you if you don’t see any difference between employment, community, civic duty and market. If you treat people as a market product, then we have even less to discuss.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by Draiken »

qwerpy wrote: post #753
codemog wrote: post #6

Don’t work for evil companies.

Counterpoint, work for companies that pay a lot regardless of good/evil. I worked for an evil company and got paid an insane amount. Got laid off. Am now happily retired in my early 40s.

Yeah, who cares about morals, right? I'm sure Palantir is hiring.

They'll kill people regardless, so might as well get paid for it!

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by KellyCriterion »

sharadov wrote: post #635
seanhunter wrote: post #248

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Short answer: today I think there is genuinely nothing that anyone should use oracle for, but their database used to be seriously far ahead of the competition. A very long time ago (circa 2000) there were basically 2 databases that worked for use cases where you needed high availability and vertical scalability and those were Oracle and Sybase and Oracle was really the only game in town if you actually wanted certain…

SQL Server was pretty good until they went the Oracle way with their licensing shenanigans, but even with that they were a lot cheaper than Oracle. In fact SQL server was one of the few great products that came out of MS.

For the risk of getting downvoted:

MS SQL is today stil a very good product, using it now for more than 20 years in different applications.

And: The free version with max up to 50 GB (?) of DB size is a very good option for smaller environments/apps

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