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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by ionwake »

diputsmonro wrote: post #790
ionwake wrote: post #670

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Im not sure you understand the conversation we are having. I have said about 3 times I am solely judging tech by how impressive it is technically. I have no idea who you are arguing with.

You can feel that way if you want, but to answer the confusion you posed in your initial post, most people do consider all aspects of a technology rather than just focus on the technical achievements. We live in a society of billions of humans interacting with each other, and whether or not you personally care or understand those interactions, they still do exist and still impact all of our lives. A particular techno…

The T-800 is cool tho

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by OJFord »

reverius42 wrote: post #540
UncleMeat wrote: post #363

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People make revenge porn to humiliate people. Regular old porn can't achieve that goal.

If anyone can fake it, is revenge porn even effective? Doesn't making it easy for anyone to fake also make all of it plausibly deniable?

I think it can be effective, but it's the wrong term for it if it's fake. It's a mixture of other things, like libel and fabricating indecent images, and the same underlying blackmail.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by marcosdumay »

QuantumGood wrote: post #778
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

> "reality and gravity are pulling them back" I like the framing of trying explosive things to escape the pull of gravity. When applied to rockets, it means a lot of stuff blowing up, which again seems apt.

Bubbles either inflate or pop...

But I'm not sure we would even notice nowadays. It used to be a disaster that could take people's attention for years, but currently, it may get lost in the noise.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by mlok »

Terretta wrote: post #730
ifethereal wrote: post #700

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Can anyone come up with a citation for this? Not to say it's a hallucination, but, to modern standards, if this were publicly funded research, it seems like it would have been a gross violation of ethics or other non-technical criteria. Interested to see how people think of it in later years, e.g., now.

It's a particularly misleading anecdote. In a sufficiently isolated population, you get the same effect from a sound-making greeting card, or a battery powered light and/or sound toy from a carnival. And for what it's worth, tomorrow they don't miss whatever “indistinguishable from magic” thing, so no harm done. // grew up near such areas

On TV, content changes all the time. It is "always new". In your examples, content is the same over and over. They would not be fascinating for too long because the novelty would wear off. Very different.

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Post by dpflan »

andai wrote: post #808
ghurtado wrote: post #693

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I'm gonna try to remember this comment for the next time someone brings up the boiling frog analogy. Which is usually back to back with the thought that in bygone times "the human mind used to be cleaner / healthier / smarter and it was slowly destroyed by modern living" There's not that much difference between our behavior and that of a chicken fixated on the chalk line in front of it.

In the 19th century, many authors lamented the frantic, unhealthy pace of modern life.

“The world is too much with us” - W. Wordsworth

The world is too much with us; late and soon, Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;— Little we see in Nature that is ours; We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon! This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon; The winds that will be howling at all hours, And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers; For this, for everything, we are out of tune; It moves us not. Great God! I’d rather be A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn; So might I, standing on this pleasant lea, Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn; Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea; Or hear old Triton blow his wreathèd horn.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45564/the-world-is-to...

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by hbn »

3form wrote: post #549
wraptile wrote: post #493

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Really? A video meme generator is making your top evil products list?

Very little potential to be used for good and quite some potential to be used for bad. I think the ratio is particularly damning, rather than the total evil.

This is just a product that offers access to a model, and they did as much as they could to make sure it didn't output anything non-kosher.

Video gen is going nowhere, and there's already models out there with less safety measures. So there's no RIP to the evil product.

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Post by liquid_thyme »

volkercraig wrote: post #345
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #332

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> To be fair, LLMs are exceptional at coding No they aren't. Any decently skilled human blows them out of the water. They can do better than an untrained human, but that's not much of an achievement.

The thing is, LLM's produce better quality one-shots than any of the products that get returned from overseas ultra-budget contractors in India or SEA. I don't know what that means for Western devs, but I can tell you that the fortune 500 I work for is dialing back on contracting and outsourcing because domestic teams can do higher-quality work faster.

>The thing is, LLM's produce better quality one-shots than any of the products that get returned from overseas ultra-budget contractors in India or SEA.

Source?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by x0x0 »

bandrami wrote: post #260
ex-aws-dude wrote: post #47

The thing that didn't make sense with this app: who would ever want to scroll only AI generated videos over a combined feed? In practice people would just generate the videos with the app then post them on regular social media in which case OAI would not get the ad revenue for that Its the age-old "your product is just a subset of another product"

There's only one highly monetizable use for AI video generation but unfortunately it's fake revenge porn. You'll know the whole thing is about to collapse when the frontier models break that glass (as OpenAI is already preparing to do with sexting).

It's also used in piles and piles of fake video flooding youtube/tiktok/etc. Driving clicks and engagement.

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Post by nomel »

ronsor wrote: post #718
nomel wrote: post #456

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> Local-first is definitely the way. i think it's clear cloud hosted is the actual future, which people have predicted for decades. it will never make financial sense to duplicate what you can get for cheap, because it's oversubscribed, with economies of scale and "if we let this run idle it's losing us money" pressure, for hardware found in a datacenter. this has been the case for a long while now, and will increasi…

Local-first doesn't exclude cloud hosting; it just means you can run it locally. With open models, you have multiple providers competing on inference speed, quality, and price, leading to healthier market without lock-in.

local first usually means extreme compromise so it can, practically, be run locally, because the cost of owning high end hardware is prohibitive. there are also companies providing locally deployed closed source models, that meet certain security requirements.

"open weights" is the appropriate term.

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Post by renegade-otter »

alcasa wrote: post #746
k__ wrote: post #739

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"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and Wha…

I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose somethin…

This has been the story for over a decade. Thins are easier. The cloud, more CPU, more RAM. No one really pays attention to performance, detail, and the little things. There is no craft in anything - just FEATURES.

AI will just make this so much worse - a race to the bottom of dull mediocrity.

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