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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by doodlebugging »

naasking wrote: post #727
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #326

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Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature, it'll be rogue AIs sending selective blackmail, 24/7, to the spiteful among us (e.g. to motivate targeted killings, either by human or machine). >All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever. Hopefully Singularity will be graceful, killing-off everybody simultaneously #PaperclipMaximizer #HimFirst

> Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature There is no evidence that Epstein blackmailed anyone. The stories around this are wildly exaggerated.

Epstein did not need to be the blackmail man. His function in the machine was as a Hoover, vacuuming up as much about as many as possible in case some of it turned out to be useful to the machine operators at some later date.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by doodlebugging »

drcongo wrote: post #669
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #326

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Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature, it'll be rogue AIs sending selective blackmail, 24/7, to the spiteful among us (e.g. to motivate targeted killings, either by human or machine). >All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever. Hopefully Singularity will be graceful, killing-off everybody simultaneously #PaperclipMaximizer #HimFirst

It's so weird how Epstein manages to pop up in basically all US discourse, even a conversation about AI use in the military.

We would not be doing anything in Iran right now if the Epstein problem did not exist for Trump and his cohorts.

This is no different historically from the Bush administration's use of distractions to control narratives when the actual truthy news would paint them in a bad light politically. Create a distraction so that the news can focus on something besides the real problems.

Another cycle in the process. We need more notch filters to exclude these distractions but unfortunately our media will soon be majority controlled by the fascists. Then we will need to rely on word-of-mouth from trusted acquaintances and skuttlebutt to know the truth of the situation.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by 5o1ecist »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #588
5o1ecist wrote: post #385

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The point that I've not seen someone making: do you even need LLMs for domestic surveillance? I can grab a copy of EmbeddingGemma or Qwen3-embedding or a similar model and do semantic clustering of existing data, since the "retrieval" is the most important part for such applications, not its integration into a LLM.

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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by [deleted] »

gentoo wrote: post #806
throawayonthe wrote: post #801

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i genuinely do not understand why anyone is acting like this is something new; has this not been the status quo since forever? futhermore this is kind of a naive framing painting the state as somehow separate from majority of the capital...

Sure, the state has always had theoretical power to do this, but when was the last time something remotely like this actually happened?

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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by murphyslaw »

graemep wrote: post #668
roryirvine wrote: post #630

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It's part of the dismal/pathetic form of American exceptionalism that's taken root in the last decade. "We mustn't consider dealing with problem x because it wasn't considered important by our founding fathers" "China are catching up, so we need to cower behind a tariff wall rather than risk losing an open competition" "Other countries with similar legal systems have successfully reformed their supreme courts, but th…

None of this is entirely new. Americans have always fetishised their constitution or founding fathers. While there has been an era of free trade, that is over, and I think the west in general is in a difficult position (ultimately as a result of believing the "end of history" BS). As for getting shot, while the chance of getting shot in the US for opposing the government is much higher than in similar circumstances i…

I believe that the biggest problem in the US is the constitution. It's next to impossible to change so the only way to fix it is replacing it entirely with a new one. But good luck with that...

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by davesque »

jspdown wrote: post #610

Domestic mass surveillance might feel tolerable when you live in the country conducting it. But how would you feel about other countries adopting similar policies, and thereby mass-surveilling the American people? Because that's exactly what these policies authorize when applied to the rest of the world.

I don't think it will feel even remotely tolerable in the US. I've been heavily critical of Trump on a regular basis on the public internet ever since he showed up 10 years ago. I doubt a government surveillance AI would miss this. Of course, there are probably millions of people like me, but given the behavior of the government recently, I really have to wonder what they might do to people like me once we've been put on a list.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by jimmydorry »

KellyCriterion wrote: post #587
skeptic_ai wrote: post #520

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USA can’t just deny the ability to leave if you are deemed to be important for national security?

But they could open up a branch in EU with some people (and their money), and then step by step employ the people from the US in EU, bleeding out the US entity on a long run: At least yet, no one can stop their top scientist to move to another country with the knowledge and just pick up their work in the new conutry.

>At least yet, no one can stop their top scientist to move to another country with the knowledge and just pick up their work in the new conutry.

They can and do do this routinely. Many individuals get marked and regularly go through additional screening if their travel plans raise flags. This isn't even unique to the US... most Western nations do the same. If there is a serious brain drain risk, the US government can easily go all out and have the whole company put on the no-fly list.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

praptak wrote: post #794
rayiner wrote: post #738

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It’s a descriptive statement about the law. But you’re mischaracterizing the normative principle underlying the law. It’s not based on power, but rather the moral duties incumbent on citizens.

The moral duty of a citizen is to sabotage their country when it becomes immoral.

Nearly every country would be 'sabotaged' then - and rightfully so. ALL gvts are a sophisticated manifestation of the more lowly protection racket run by the mafia. i.e 'We protect you from harm by the other mafia'.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

ericmay wrote: post #780
herval wrote: post #761

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this entire administration has been a constant stream of "important turning point for the US" moments

I think most, perhaps all of those "important turning points" aren't really important turning points but just business as usual.

Is threatening an ally business as usual? Tell me about all the times that recent presidents threatened a NATO ally...

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by TOMDM »

ericmay wrote: post #780
herval wrote: post #761

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this entire administration has been a constant stream of "important turning point for the US" moments

I think most, perhaps all of those "important turning points" aren't really important turning points but just business as usual.

Then you know and understand nothing.
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