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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by HEmanZ »

solaris2007 wrote: post #767
thaumaturgy wrote: post #723

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People are experiencing wildly different Americas depending on their circumstances and level of political involvement. If you're a tech worker and you still have a job and you think AI is pretty cool and you don't follow news very closely, things seem okay...ish. You are maybe dimly aware of some social problems, but they're all somebody else's problems. If you're one of the many many thousands of people who have bee…

> or you have a child or family member in one of our concentration camps I must be one of those comfortable and oblivious tech workers because I don't know about any concentration camps in the US. So you'll have to tell me what this is about.

There aren’t Nazi-style extermination camps in the U.S., but an extermination camp is just a subset of concentration camps. There are large-scale immigration detention facilities, with 60k+ people on any given day, where tens of thousands of people are held without criminal trials. Enforcement often targets identity proxies like race, accent, neighborhood, sweeps up citizens and legal residents, uses expedited deportations with effectively suspended habeas, and operates with extremely limited judicial oversight and blatantly ignores judicial rulings.

These are concentration camps, or at least so close that I’m rhetorically OK with it. All of the famous concentration camp programs of history started the same way. And there’s always an excuse for why “no no no, our program is different, these people are illegal, we have to operate like this (suspended legal rights and oversight) to stop the bad people, it’s not targeted by race/religion/etc it’s just the bad people all happen to be like that…”

This is not a good place to be.

Scope of camps: https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

Formal suspension of habeas was enabled en-masse by: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/thuraissigia...

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by bilekas »

> “As soon as Higby put that post out, I opened an investigation on it,”

So when a right wing 'reporter' highlights people are doing things within their legal right, there's an investigation straight away.

But they can release the Epstien files when the victims themselves are asking them to.

> if that leads to a break in the federal statute or a violation of some law, then we are going to arrest people

That's not how the justice system works, you can't just go on fishing expeditions to find a crime.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by arowthway »

mrguyorama wrote: post #213
ActorNightly wrote: post #124

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>is the only defense. Or you know, the 2nd amendment. Id be willing to bet that ICE would have a much smaller impact if they would be met with bullets instead of cameras. In the end, what ICE is doing doesn't really matter to Trump, as long as MAGA believes that things are being done, even if nothing is being done, he doesn't care.

Nothing about the 2nd amendment legalizes shooting law enforcement officers. This has always been the absurdity of the moronic claims of the 2nd amendment being to overthrow government tyranny: You may own the gun legally, but at no point will your actions be legal. If you've decided the government needs to be overthrown, you are already throwing "law" out the window, even if you have a valid argument that the govern…

Sure there is the usual hypocrisy but IMO what's more interesting is that, based on some posts that pop up on my FB feed, there has been a real backlash among gun nuts and people like Rittenhouse himself.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by OutOfHere »

samename wrote: post #446
gruez wrote: post #334

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Not sure what the point of the service is. Given that it's more expensive than other MVNOs, and isn't even more private. You can still buy prepaid SIMs in store with cash, so it's harder to get more private than that. Not to mention this company asks for your zip+4 code (which identifies down to a specific street), and information for E-911. It's basically like Trump Mobile but for people who care about "privacy".

Can prepaid eSIMs be used anonymously?

For max privacy, remember to buy the phone anonymously as well. Be cognizant of links to non-anonymous IPs, emails, and identities.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by direwolf20 »

zahlman wrote: post #731
trhway wrote: post #553

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>The FBI simply i don't think an investigation by FBI has ever been "simply" to the subjects of such an investigation. And to show bang-for-the-buck the "simply reading chat" officers would have to bring at least some fish, i.e. federal charges, from such a reading expedition. In general it sounds very familiar - any opposition is a crime of impeding and obstruction. Just like in Russia where any opposition is a crim…

> any opposition is a crime of impeding and obstruction No; conspiracy to impede and obstruct is a crime. If you are about to do something I don't want you to do, but which is lawful for you to do, 1A covers me saying "hey, don't do that". It does not cover me physically positioning myself in a way that prevents you from doing it. And if you happen to be an LEO and the thing you're about to do is a law enforcement ac…

One of the victims was blocking half the low traffic road and intending for people to pass freely on the other half. The other was filming from a distance.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by account42 »

hans_castorp wrote: post #662
Empact wrote: post #643

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This is simply not true. Some people are investigated because they spread lies, insults and threats. Things that would be investigated (and punished) as well, if done "off line". The freedom of speech does not mean "freedom to harass, threat or insult people". The oppression of free speech seems to be happening much more in the USA, where you are not allowed to criticize the politics of the ruling party any more.

You should look up the number of lawsuits German politicians dish out for being criticized online. Funded by the tax payer of course.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by direwolf20 »

db48x wrote: post #648
trhway wrote: post #634

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I am talking about 8 USC chapter 12 subsection II ( https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/chapter-12 >). This is the law that defines how immigration works in the US, and how illegal aliens are removed. ICE is the Federal agency assigned to the task of locating and removing illegal aliens. Even if you don’t like that illegal aliens are being removed, it is illegal to try to prevent a federal agent from doing just…

Can you quote the part of 8 USC chapter 12 subsection II where it says you get to murder everyone you disagree with?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by account42 »

Epa095 wrote: post #687
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #667

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FYI, as a center left from a European perspective that is a beautiful picture of just how right-leaning American politics is. The Democrats is such a big tent it contains pretty much the complete political spectrum in Europe, but for the actuall politics they have been doing, at least regarding economics (excluding identity politics) they are pretty solid right / center right from a European perspective.

From another European perspective I think it says more how absurdly left leaning European politics have become. The US is much more in line with historical norms as well as with non-western societies today.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by 0ckpuppet »

unethical_ban wrote: post #371
CMay wrote: post #367

It's not illegal to track law enforcement, but if any of their still visible chats show intent it will hurt them. They'll also want to find out how many people in the group chat are outside of the US, if any money was being exchanged, etc. Hopefully they can unwind these groups, because it's just pitting people against law enforcement who have no idea what they're up against. They don't seem to have a sense for when…

Civil disobedience exists and does not deserve a death sentence. At least, while decrying civil disobedience, you differ from the administration in one important aspect: You think there should be accountability for police shootings. That's different than the ICE leader, the DHS leader, the FBI director and the Vice President.

This wasn't civil disobedience. It was stalking law enforcement and then aggressively interfering. Not a capital crime, but still a recipe fir suicide by cop.
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