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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by stevenwoo »

mvdtnz wrote: post #532
hammock wrote: post #465

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Someone I know told me they think about this when they see the people who voted for gun bans talk now about how they need guns to defend against unlawful ICE folks

But not a single person has actually done so. Until it can be shown that armed citizens are making a genuine difference against government agents it's still just bluster.

Not the same thing or even country, but the guy killing Abe with the handmade gun changed the handling of Moonie infiltration of Japanese government and society. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/02/02/how-shinzo-abe...

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Post by johnnyanmac »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #540
parthdesai wrote: post #503

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> deliberate, systematic manipulation of information And, what are we doing with those facts? We're manipulating them lol

It's using information to influence public opinion in a calculated manner. Said information can include facts. It can even be entirely factual . Manipulating the feed of a social media website for the purpose of swaying the viewer's opinion is a cut and dry example of propaganda. Doesn't matter who does it or whether the information displayed is factual or not. Those things make zero difference.

This really doesn't pass the sniff test. It reminds me of a recent post I saw: "what are movies people like only becsuse it is good?", calling it "quality slop". It's contradictory.

If people are given a wide perspective of a situation and adjusts bias for the Overton window (aka, we don't let Nazis have an equal platform to a more progressive group), then we just call that good reporting. The act of convincing people isn't inherently a bad thing. How you do it matters a lot.

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Post by garciasn »

ryandrake wrote: post #778
garciasn wrote: post #688

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I didn't twist anything. If anything, I would argue YOU are twisting words of the original comment to which I responded: >> the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles > I'm sorry, did I miss something? Is this something that's happened (ever)?

It's the first three lines of the Narcissists Prayer[1] That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal... 1: https://www.thelifedoctor.org/the-narcissist-s-prayer

I honestly don't understand why you posted the Narcissist's Prayer; however, to clarify: the original comment I responded to referred to another comment that said, "the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles," to which I replied, in part, "it's a video of a WCCO news (local MSP TV station) segment which shows an armored vehicle pushing protesters out of the way."

The person who said I was twisting words said (emphasis mine), "There’s an enormous difference between driving slowly through a crowd of protestors with no injuries versus running over protesters with a tank."

At no point did I nor the comment I responded to use the words, 'running over protesters with a tank'.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

Yeah I can't fathom what sort of technical issues would produce this result. I'd love to read a detailed article about it. Your move ByteDance or whatever org owns you now. The only thing that would make sense to me is a partial outage of some sort, but that would not be permanent and very rare for Tik Tok.

As an aside, if you check in on r/tiktok every time something major like this is happening with Tik Tok you can see how users feel about it. I've seen different waves of users flat out deleting their Tik Tok accounts in protest.

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Post by tintor »

brabel wrote: post #750
sneak wrote: post #477

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Propaganda can be entirely factual. In fact, the best propaganda is.

In Portuguese we use the same word for ad and propaganda! In fact that word is just propaganda!

In Serbian too: EPP - Ekonomske Propagandne Poruke | Economic Propaganda Messages

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Post by mrighele »

ceejayoz wrote: post #791
mrighele wrote: post #787

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Yes they did. I am talking about the Internet. It used to be that anybody could post anything on the Internet. If it was something illegal sooner or later the state FBI/a Judge/Whatever would come for you, but it was a matter between you and the law. Your Internet provider, your hosting provider, etc. couldn't care less because they were not involved in your activity, in the same way that the post office is not to bl…

> It used to be that anybody could post anything on the Internet. This was never the case. We had occasional law enforcement contact back in the 90s when I ran a gaming vBulletin board in high school. Your IP was trivially traced to a physical landline location and VPNs were in their infancy, and Facebook.com didn't get HTTPS by default until well into the 2000s (after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firesheep ). Secti…

> Section 230 protects the ISPs and websites from liability, not the posters.

I know. That's not what I am complaining about.

I am not an anarchist. I am fine with enforcement asking an ISP, a website, a forum, whatever to remove content because it breaks some law.

What I am complaining about is: it used to be that a platform would let you use it as you saw fit. If you were doing something illegal sooner or later law enforcement would come after you but then the platform wouldn't care much because it was YOUR fault not theirs.

The exception to this was very high level. e.g. phpBB forums with moderators. But those where not platform. They were quite small in size. I consided something like Youtube closer to an ISP or a Registar than a bulletin board. You cannot really escape them.

It used to be that those would only act after the fact (as you said). Only recently (past 10 years) they started to proactively censor their content. It is not completely their fault, they have been pressured to do so, but still they have.

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Post by reactordev »

PokemonNoGo wrote: post #678
reactordev wrote: post #441

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No, the rest of the world operates on different servers now.

Interesting. How is it implemented? I opened Tiktok here in Denmark and went to something I, assume, would be in the US and it seems to load fine for me? Do you an example of something I shouldn't be able to view so I can try?

I imagine the same way you would link multiple data centers together. Only they don’t own the US ones OR the algorithm that’s used to suggest content.

EU is coming.

https://newsroom.tiktok.com/cornerstonefinland?lang=en-150

I’m just saying that here in the US we are going to see some funkiness in suggested content soon. Because we hit different servers than you. Even if they are hosted on Oracle Cloud.

It’s really no different than a large org having two clouds that need data synchronized. AWS and Azure for example. Systems Design…

I’m not a TikTok user so I couldn’t recommend content for you to try.

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Post by ryandrake »

garciasn wrote: post #823
ryandrake wrote: post #778

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It's the first three lines of the Narcissists Prayer[1] That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal... 1: https://www.thelifedoctor.org/the-narcissist-s-prayer

I honestly don't understand why you posted the Narcissist's Prayer; however, to clarify: the original comment I responded to referred to another comment that said, "the United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles," to which I replied, in part, "it's a video of a WCCO news (local MSP TV station) segment which shows an armored vehicle pushing protesters out of the way." The person who said I…

No, no, no--you're the one who's right. The others are running with the "prayer."

"United States government rolling through protesters in armored vehicles"

"Did this really happen?"

You: Video of it actually happening.

Response: Yea, but that video didn't show them "running over protesters with a tank"

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Post by linkregister »

rluna828 wrote: post #676
jmyeet wrote: post #475

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What you're describing here (ironically) is unironically the basis for Western political thought. What I'm referring to here is idealism [1]. Whether it's European colonial powers or the US, the basis for foreign intervention is, quite simply, that we are the Good Guys. Why? Because we're the Good Guys. Even slavery was justified in Christianity by converting the heathen and saving their immortal souls, a fundamental…

This has been proven wrong again and again. My grandparents were subsistence farmers. They had much less material wealth than any working class American and the vast majority of unhoused Americans. Yet, I can assure you that back then they were much more satisfied with life than the vast majority of working class and unhoused americans today. Second point, no amount of material wealth can compensate for severe mental…

> This has been proven wrong again and again

[does not offer evidence]

> Yet, I can assure you ... they were much more satisfied with life than the vast majority of working class and unhoused americans today

How do you know this? How is this convincing to this audience?

> no amount of material wealth can compensate for severe mental illness

Are you asserting that mental illness occurred at lower rates in the past?

> I am certain you will be shocked at their extreme poverty and general hopefulness

There is no shortage of writing from the Great Depression expressing great hopelessness. The generation was popularly called the Lost Generation for decades by writers of the time.

We cannot conclusively know the overall happiness level of humanity at any time before the Industrial Revolution. But we can use general proxies, such as starvation rates, violent deaths, and child mortality. Those metrics have, by all knowable measures, improved by an order of magnitude after the Industrial Revolution when compared to all previous history.

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