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Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by roel_v »

hare2eternity wrote: post #787
roel_v wrote: post #764

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"Kind of tired of people taking anabolic steroids and then claiming it's a smaller part of their success" Sounds like you've never taken steroids brother, and with that mindset you shouldn't, because I'll tell you that no matter how much you shoot into your muscles, if you don't put in the work in the gym, there's no way you're going to get jacked.

That position does not appear to be supported by clinical evidence. [This study]( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/dar.12433 ) references several studies that show that taking low (in the context of gym users) doses of steriods and not exercising is more effective at building muscle mass than strength training and not taking steroids.

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by ada1981 »

literallywho wrote: post #667
ada1981 wrote: post #655

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You lose .5-1 lb of fat every day you water fast; you will naturally increase stem cells, peptides, growth hormone, etc. You can do this for months if needed. You will reset your immune system, insulin response, eat off cancerous cells, etc. The bigger opportunity is to figure out why all of these things are going on, typically unprocessed emotional trauma, environment, and choices.

I ain't doing a water fast. And most people will not. Again, your argument is essentially "just use your will power". Clearly, people don't have that level of will power.

Just because most people won’t quit smoking doesn’t mean that’s not the best solution.

Our bodies were built to be fasting regularly and have an entire biological process cycle you only can access by fasting.

It’s like driving a car and never having it serviced if you aren’t fasting regularly.

The evidence is clear and overwhelming.

Also, fasting can start as 1 day, then 2, then 3. Once you cross 3 it gets easier, you feel better, are clearer thinking, and will likely feel like you will never eat again and save time and money - I have to remind myself we do need to eat at some point.

All inflation and arthritis gone entirely after my first 7 day water fast.

3x more likely to complete one if you do it with a partner, and I’m happy to gift 100% free access to a program my fiance and I created called CouplesFast.com and to send you a free pdf of our forthcoming book on the same topic.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by ada1981 »

venndeezl wrote: post #682
ada1981 wrote: post #656

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Choosing to avoid the trend of glp1s and instead figure out how to adopt a healthy lifestyle is not a threat. But I do appreciate the life advice from someone with a 4 day old anonymous account!

Heal yourself; get off the psychedelic treadmill.

I’d agree. Psychedelics are a flashlight at best, you still need to get off the treadmill and do the work.

I just spoke in Antarctica with Paul Stamets and Rick Doblin about this very issue.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by red-iron-pine »

cbozeman wrote: post #723
padjo wrote: post #707

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Or they weren’t actually that nice and people were being polite.

For a site chock full of logic-worshippers, we do seem to forget Occam's Razor too frequently.

the tech bro demographic is terrible at self reflection or solving problems that involve their own biases

very smart people can rationalize themselves into or out of anything position

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by ada1981 »

renewiltord wrote: post #679
ada1981 wrote: post #621

Just a reminder there are no shortcuts; doing the work to actually heal yourself and fast, etc. will always beat this sort of thing in the long run.

There are lots of shortcuts haha wtf. The entirety of civilization is shortcuts. Vaccines are shortcuts to prime your immune system, antibiotics are shortcuts, my eyeglasses are shortcuts. This is such guruslop that has no relation to reality. Surgeries are shortcuts, bicycles are shortcuts, gyms are shortcuts. The whole point of us doing all we do is to ensure that we get good at making more and more shortcuts.

I agree with this. I oversimplified my position.

Let me say this, fasting is something everyone would benefit from being familiar with and using regularly as a tool.

Much of what we are trying to accomplish or solve with traditional petroleum based pharmacy is accomplished for free and with no side effects, by fasting.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by nottorp »

joshocar wrote: post #792
anon7000 wrote: post #553

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And crucially, many of those bad foods can be pretty addictive. They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. So it’s not surprising many people struggle to change that habit when the food ecosystem is working against you. Junk food both tastes better and is easier to eat than home-cooking a very healthy meal. You’re not exactly set up for success here.

I also think there is an education gap. People grow up eating processed food and don't learn to cook. People often try to cook, but online recipes are not really teaching you anything and are often far more work than they need to be or turn out bad, so people think or learn that cooking a meal takes a long time, is a lot of work, and doesn't taste as good. Cooking becomes the exception rather than the norm. In realit…

I guess most online recipes assume you're cooking for "special occasions".

I can buy a bag of frozen assorted veggies and a few pieces of frozen salmon in the store across the street, throw them 15 min into a pan and be done. It's mostly what I feed on.

Not in the US though.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by nottorp »

alistairSH wrote: post #259

I'm confused by the language... Within six months of starting a GLP-1 medication, households reduce grocery spending by an average of 5.3%. A household doesn't take Ozempic, a person does. Are they implying that if everybody in the household takes Ozempic, as a group they see a 5% reduction? Or, any one person in the household causes a 5% reduction for the group? The average household in the US is 2.5 people...

> Or, any one person in the household causes a 5% reduction for the group?

I'd go for this one. Which means the one person reduces their food intake by at least double the 5%.

Or possibly the other people in the household see them eating less and follow their example...

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by nottorp »

blell wrote: post #748
NoLinkToMe wrote: post #678

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No this is the most repeated and most incorrect thing in the whole debate about food. More than a billion asians eat nutritious, cheap and calorie-balanced meals every day, unprocessed. Staples like legumes and rice don't cost much and are very nutritious. And supplementing with moderate amounts of seasonal fruits and vegetables and moderate animal protein is still very affordable and healthy. A kilo of (dry) legumes…

This is the kind of thing that looks good on paper but then breaks down when you try it. If you are seriously comparing the attractiveness of “legumes” (what legume and recipe is that?) with the attractiveness of Doritos I don’t know what to tell you. If you cook something that is nearly as attractive as ultra processed foods, the price skyrockets.

Indians and Chinese would like a word with you...

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by Aurornis »

machomaster wrote: post #611
Aurornis wrote: post #190

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> These accessible food options come with a premium that I strongly suspect put them out of what a median income household can sustainably afford. No they don’t. Even my local Walmart has cheap vegetable selections included pre cut versions. You know what is expensive, though? Meat. There’s still plenty of meat consumption in the median household. It’s not a price issue.

Meat is really not that expensive compared to even simple vegetables. Most simple salads are actually more expensive than chicken (boneless thighs, ground meat) per kg! If you compare the price per kcal, as one really should, the difference becomes absurd.

> Most simple salads are actually more expensive than chicken (boneless thighs, ground meat) per kg!

There are more food options than meat or salads.

Citing salads and leafy greens as the alternative to meat is a common strawman, but there are more food options than those two extremes.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by refurb »

DrBazza wrote: post #752
subpixel wrote: post #551

> It's insane to me that so many people need these to get off the processed foods killing them in the US The American diet is insane, full stop. However, I've just begun a GLP-1 regimen to address a willpower problem, not a nutritional problem. I'm not quite young anymore and have given lots of other approaches a shot over the years, but have persistently failed to achieve a weight that is not a threat to my health.…

The American shopping experience is weird as well. There's a spectrum of supermarkets. Versus the UK, any US supermarket I've ever visited (I lived there for a couple of years) seemed to have far less fresh food, especially vegetables and fruit, but stuff in boxes was piled high. Then again, the UK vs. Spain or France is weird, by the same metric, they have even more fresh food than us in supermarkets, and much less…

Ive never been in a US grocery store that didnt have 20-30% of floor space dedicated to fresh veggies and fruit.

Where you shoppin’?

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