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Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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pwdisswordfishy wrote: post #592
randerson wrote: post #497

I'd pay good money for a dumb 4K OLED TV that does nothing but show whatever is coming in through the HDMI port. I use a Playstation 5 for everything including Netflix, Apple TV and so on. But every time I turn on the PS5, my TV detects the Playstation and automatically changes the TV's Sound and Video modes to "Gaming", which makes dialog difficult to hear on TV. So I change the setting manually using its horrible r…

Isn't the "Gaming" setting doing exactly that (giving you "whatever is coming in through the HDMI port")? What you describe about it being hard to hear dialog is exactly what I'd expect from someone who has their TV turned down as a result of using the score/soundtrack and loud sound effects as a reference point, which consequently is too low a volume to hear the dialog. I wouldn't be surprised if you're actually exp…

> Isn't the "Gaming" setting doing exactly that (giving you "whatever is coming in through the HDMI port")?

Not on my Samsung oled - there is an effect to boost the brightness of dark scenes (turning completely black screens into a gray smudge) that cannot be turned off completely.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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scilro wrote: post #728
bootlooped wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to feel this way, at least about having the TV do zero processing. Something that recently changed my viewpoint a little bit was that I was noticing that 24-30 fps content was appearing very choppy. I couldn't figure out why it looked like that. It turns out it's because modern OLED TVs can switch frames very cleanly and rapidly, CRTs or older LCDs were not like that, and their relative slowness in switching f…

All you need to fix that is 3:2 pulldown, which all modern TVs should be able to do. Unfortunately this is another basic feature that tends to be "branded" on TVs. On my Sony Bravia it's split into a combination of features called Cinemotion and Motionflow.

I think you are mixing things up.

3:2 pulldown (or other telecine patterns) is what was used to go from 24 FPS film to 30 FPS interlaced NTSC video. Your TV or video player needs to undo that (going back to the original 24 FPS) in order to fix a judder ever 5 frames. But that is not going to fix the inherent choppiness of fast camera movements with 24 FPS film and is also not relevant for most modern content because it is no longer limited to NTSC and can instead give you the original 24 FPS directly.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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ubermonkey wrote: post #458
pelorat wrote: post #300

If your TV supports a "gaming" mode, I always recommend enabling that, because it usually turns off all the "enhancements". TV's should not try to be anything more than a large monitor.

"Game mode" on my Samsung absolutely does some goofy vibrancy thing to the color balance that is, at least to me, antithetical to watching well-created film and TV.

It also boosts brightness of dark scenes which turns black frames into a horrible gray smudge.

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DoctorWhoof wrote: post #163
eviks wrote: post #148

Are there any creators that evolved and shoot at high frame rates that eliminate the need for motion interpolation and its artifacts or is the grip of the bad old film culture still too strong? (there are at least some 48fps films)

Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens, which will sometimes double a frame, sometimes triple it, creating uneven motion. Viewing a well shot film with perfect, expressive motion blur on a proper film screen is surprisingly smooth. The "soap opera" feel is NOT from bad interpolation that can somehow be done right. It's inherent from the high frame rate.…

24 FPS simply cannot have fast smooth movement without blurring everything into an unrecognizable mess. The minor judder from the display framerate not being a multiple of the source framerate is inconsequential compared to that.

> Films are more like dreams than like real life. That frame rate is essential to them

Complete bullshit.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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vanviegen wrote: post #266
DoctorWhoof wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the issues (like "judder") that people have with 24fps are due to viewing it on 60 fps screens, which will sometimes double a frame, sometimes triple it, creating uneven motion. Viewing a well shot film with perfect, expressive motion blur on a proper film screen is surprisingly smooth. The "soap opera" feel is NOT from bad interpolation that can somehow be done right. It's inherent from the high frame rate.…

Yes, and records sound better than digital audio. You've just learned to associate good films with this shitty framerate. Also, most established film makers have yet to learn (but probably never will) how to make stuff look good on high frames. It's less forgiving. It'll probably take the next generation of viewers and directors..

Yeah with GP's mindset we wouldn't have HD resolutions either because sets from the SD era look obviously fake with that much detail captured. Thankfully set designers just upped their game instead of trying to gaslight us into thinking that TV has to be low resolution.

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nosianu wrote: post #637
pitched wrote: post #629

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a huge fan of the high-framerate Hobbit films. It made the huge battles much easier to follow and I felt like I picked up a lot more of the details. Such a shame it never had a retail release.

Never mind the battles and action scenes, just any scenes with normal movement of the camera. There is a lot of panning in the initial scenes of The Hobbit (opening scene is the fall of Erebor). I watched that movie initially with the new higher frequency, and everything was soooo smooth. When I rewatched it, every single time I have to experience the terrible, terrible choppy, hard-to-see-anything lower frequency tr…

It's really infuriating that after decades of dealing with the implications of NTSC video systems not supporting 24 FPS the Blu Ray designers chose not to support 48 FPS even though 60 FPS is supported.

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ranger207 wrote: post #732
iknowstuff wrote: post #627

The 120Hz / "soap opera effect" is a matter of perspective. I hate the judder and blur during 30Hz camera pans. Love interpolated smoothness.

I don't mind natively high framerate, but I can't stand interpolation

Same here. I really hope that the movie industry gets over the stigma and moves to higher frame rates appropriate for fast action and panning shots. Doesn't look like it will happen any time soon though - even the few high frame rate movies there are don't get high frame rate home video releases.

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elondaits wrote: post #7
xxdiamondxx wrote: post #2

Probably a good time to plug Filmmaker mode!

Typically “Game” mode, on TVs, turns off post processing, to avoid the extra frames of lag it causes.

Unfortunately, sometimes it just means you get different processing.

Re: Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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nntwozz wrote: post #133

I read a lot of comments here that freeze my blood, what needs to be said is that there is something called creative intent. For those unfamiliar with the term you should watch Vincent Teoh @ HDTVTest: https://www.youtube.com/hdtvtest Creative intent refers to the goal of displaying content on a TV precisely as the original director or colorist intended it to be seen in the studio or cinema. A lot of work is put into…

You can argue about defaults but in my home my preferences trump those of the creator in my book.

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echelon wrote: post #125
Shorel wrote: post #109

Anyone who mentions: "the soap opera effect" is someone who used to watch soap operas. The reason they dislike it, is their own bad taste. I like how it looks because it is "high quality videogame effect" for me. 60 hz, 120hz, 144hz, you only get this on a good videogame setup.

Films use cheap set dec and materials. They use lighting and makeup tricks. If you watch at a higher frame rate, the mistakes become obvious rather than melting into the frames. Humans look plastic and fake. The people that are masters of light and photography make intentional choices for a reason. You can cook your steak well done if you like, but that's not how you're supposed to eat it. A steak is not a burger. A…

If movie makers need to up their set game to make it work then they should do that instead of trying to gaslight us into believing 24 FPS is better. TV also had to improve their sets and effects for HD without crying about it.
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