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Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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Re: Tesla’s 4680 battery supply chain collapses as partner writes down deal by 99%

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He might be pumping until his potential trillion USD bonus :P

his family is going to need it, the guy is the modern genghis khan in a generation or two a good portion of humanity will be a descendant of his

At the current growth rate, they'll be 2.5Billion in just 8 generations...

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Yeah, it's typical of Elektrec to interpret anything Tesla-related in the worst light. I personally fact checked articles about "Autopilot disengages milliseconds before collision" and the one related to Benavides v. Tesla case. In the first case they jumped to conclusions. In the second case they "forgot" to mention any details that contradict their narrative: that there were two cases separated by years, that the p…

I havent seen an article on that site be remotely positive to tesla in a long time if ever. Its weird, the obsession with Tesla hating.

he also sold all is tesla stock, so I assume there is some incentive too feel better in case tesla fails.

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Handling on basically all EVs except maybe what porsche is doing is terrible. And American cars are all plastic and flimsy, and this includes Tesla. But they're also much more expensive.

The Chinese EVs were particularly atrocious in their handling. And sure some American cars are plastic and flimsy (particularly the low end models), but these are premium Chinese brands.

> The Chinese EVs were particularly atrocious in their handling.

I disagree, again, pretty much all EVs handle like shit because they're very heavy and have a ton of torque. It doesn't help that most American cars are very large and particularly tall, which makes handling even worse. The reality is that a sedan will basically always handle better than an SUV, no matter what, even if it's a piece of shit sedan and a 100K Cadillac SUV. At least, on pavement.

> And sure some American cars are plastic and flimsy

No, like, all of them. You can't buy a Tesla with an interior that isn't mostly plastic. GM is still doing that bullshit where most of their components are binned from 20K shitboxes. There's SOME exceptions, but they're rare. And you'll find that what Xiaomi and some other's are doing is not plastic. They have leather interiors and stuff, this is all very easy to verify online. I'm not telling you anything that isn't trivial to find out.

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Imagine me standing next to the fence of the White House, calling the Meta Office. "I am calling from the White House", while technically true would be a lie, as my intent would be to make the other person believe something that isn't true, that I would be calling in some kind of official role. So the statement does not necessarily be false to be a lie - if the intent is to deceive.

I don't think this is universally or even widely agreed upon.

Recommend you read the source: Sam Harris "Lying" [1].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_(Harris_book)

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OK, that's good. I assume then, when you've had a massive positive influence on the world, employed hundred of thousands, brought electric vehicles to the mainstream, built a rocket company and blanketed the entire planet in affordable, high speed internet, etc... then you'll agree with the people on the internet that attack you because you claim to be a better video game player than you actually are.

In your hypothetical you are asking that if I was a lier would I be ok with it. One would have to presume that I wouldn’t be a lier if I wasn’t also ok with it. I am neither a lier and if somehow I had lied I would also not be ok with it and would hope others hold me to a better standard.

So, there's no such thing as degrees?

When someone asks you casually "Hey, how's it going?" Do you tell them about your terrible day, or say "Not bad, and you?"

There are differences in degree. No one is 100% honest all the time, thankfully.

I think it's strange to be so hostile towards someone for something so relatively minor compared to his other achievements.

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I guess Telsa will take care of itself then. No point hyping up its demise.

No point defending it either.

There is absolutely a point. I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important when dealing with the worst people and the worst companies. Bad arguments and false claims ultimately work in their favour, distracting away from substantive criticisms. Don’t hand them that advantage.

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No point defending it either.

There is absolutely a point. I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important when dealing with the worst people and the worst companies. Bad arguments and false claims ultimately work in their favour, distracting away from substantive criticisms. Don’t hand them that advantage.

> I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important

You're against bad arguments and false claims? Cool!

Here are some bad arguments and false claims from Tesla about how fast the Cybertruck is:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE

I look forward to your criticisms of Tesla's bad arguments and corrections of Tesla's false claims.

But maybe we should just call them what they are: lies.

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There is absolutely a point. I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important when dealing with the worst people and the worst companies. Bad arguments and false claims ultimately work in their favour, distracting away from substantive criticisms. Don’t hand them that advantage.

> I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important You're against bad arguments and false claims? Cool! Here are some bad arguments and false claims from Tesla about how fast the Cybertruck is: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE I look forward to you…

This isn’t Reddit, and I’m not American. I’m not interested in your culture war.

There was a deeper point to my earlier message. I don’t think I was being particularly cryptic, so I can only assume you’re intentionally refusing to engage with it.

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> I strongly believe that criticising bad arguments and correcting false claims is especially important You're against bad arguments and false claims? Cool! Here are some bad arguments and false claims from Tesla about how fast the Cybertruck is: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0AJmLvKjxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE I look forward to you…

This isn’t Reddit, and I’m not American. I’m not interested in your culture war. There was a deeper point to my earlier message. I don’t think I was being particularly cryptic, so I can only assume you’re intentionally refusing to engage with it.

What culture war? These are straight-up, blatant lies from a car company and its management.

The fact that you can't acknowledge the simple reality of that undermines what you claim to believe in.

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#830

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In your hypothetical you are asking that if I was a lier would I be ok with it. One would have to presume that I wouldn’t be a lier if I wasn’t also ok with it. I am neither a lier and if somehow I had lied I would also not be ok with it and would hope others hold me to a better standard.

So, there's no such thing as degrees? When someone asks you casually "Hey, how's it going?" Do you tell them about your terrible day, or say "Not bad, and you?" There are differences in degree. No one is 100% honest all the time, thankfully. I think it's strange to be so hostile towards someone for something so relatively minor compared to his other achievements.

Here is a joke that explains it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A85ipUgy5B4

Doing great deeds does not give him nor anyone else a licence to lie.

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