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Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by richardfeynman »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #807
richardfeynman wrote: post #806

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You simply invent crimes and claim Israel is guilty until proven innocent. That's not how it works.

Nothing's invented, what I listed are real events with extensive documentation and evidence behind them. You are stating some questions which are supposedly going to lead to IDF's innocence in the matter if they are truthfully answered. The burden of that additional proof is now on you. Mere questions being enough to dispel a case against the IDF is a thing of the past. They worked very hard to earn such a reputation…

There's no burden of proof on me, it's all on you.

You're the one claiming Israel purposefully killed Hind Rajab and yet you refuse to answer the specific questions I asked you about the incident. You say this is because you answering is "going to lead to IDF's innocence." On this we agree. The facts of what actually happened matter.

In the case of Hind Rajab, I hope this does go to court so we can find out what happened in this tragic incident. If there were war crimes, I'd like to see the soldiers who committed them face legal justice. But I still believe in the concept of presumed innocence and the burden of proof.

You don't get to make up crimes and declare a party guilty of them, even if you're totally sure they're the baddies. That's what enlightenment thinking and four centuries of western jurisprudence teaches us. Innocent until proven guilty.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by inemesitaffia »

sporkxrocket wrote: post #809
inemesitaffia wrote: post #808

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The Intifada has come to Bondi beach

Roughly 4x more civilians were killed every day in Gaza.

Like it's going to stop there.

It's not about the numbers of people killed anywhere.

The issue with people like you is Jews exist.

And a big tell is the attacking Jews everywhere.

It's always been about finishing what Hitler started. Doesn't matter if you're an anti-Zionist secular Jew. Your time will eventually come if this isn't stopped. Israel isn't the matter, dead Palestinians aren't the matter. It's the fact Yahud exist

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by sporkxrocket »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #822
sporkxrocket wrote: post #809

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly 4x more civilians were killed every day in Gaza.

Like it's going to stop there. It's not about the numbers of people killed anywhere. The issue with people like you is Jews exist. And a big tell is the attacking Jews everywhere. It's always been about finishing what Hitler started. Doesn't matter if you're an anti-Zionist secular Jew. Your time will eventually come if this isn't stopped. Israel isn't the matter, dead Palestinians aren't the matter. It's the fact Ya…

No, it's about genocide, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. Again orders of magnitude more Palestinians have been killed by Jewish supremacists. Really strange when the aggressor pretends to be the victim.

> It's not about the numbers of people killed anywhere.

Palestinians are human and it's disgraceful to discount their lives like that. Jewish lives are not worth more than Palestinian lives.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by ada1981 »

neoromantique wrote: post #368
ada1981 wrote: post #151

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I didn't say 42 targets. Per the report: 42 dead, 12 of which were civilians. It follows that 30 were considered Hezbollah.

>I didn't say 42 targets. You quite literally did.

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by xvedejas »

xvedejas wrote: post #318
ada1981 wrote: post #133

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For the IDF, a 28.6% civilian death rate is actually quite good. Their own classified data reveals an 83% civilian casualty rate in Gaza—nearly three times worse. The Lebanon pager attack: 12 civilians (including 2 children) killed out of 42 total deaths (28.6% civilian casualty rate). Gaza genocide: Leaked IDF intelligence documents show 8,900 militants killed out of 53,000 total deaths as of May 2025 (83% civilian…

You understate your point: the 83% rate is much, much more than 3x worse. To kill 100 intended targets, a 28.6% civilian death rate means you'll need to kill `N / (100 + N) = 0.286` (N = 40.06) civilians. With an 83% civilian death rate, to kill 100 intended targets, you need to kill `N / (100 + N) = 0.83` (N = 488) civilians. It is about 12x worse to have an 83% civilian death rate compared to a 28.6% rate.

I'll note that for two rates (a, b) the general formula for this kind of comparison would be:

    a (1-b) / (b (1-a))

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

MPSFounder wrote: post #812
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #636

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Right, now I'm not South African so I can't speak to that angle of what he's writing. I can speak to the angle of Jews in post-WW2 Europe. Mamdani's thesis here has the problem of rather dramatically, in fact insultingly, ignoring the most basic fact: almost nobody in the displaced-persons camps for Jews after the war wanted to go back into post-war European societies, and most of those who tried were murdered or fac…

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I'm an American citizen born on American soil.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by tomhow »

MPSFounder wrote: post #827
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #826

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I'm an American citizen born on American soil.

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Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by neoromantique »

ada1981 wrote: post #824
neoromantique wrote: post #368

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>I didn't say 42 targets. You quite literally did.

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Sorry, I don't always check responses.

I checked and it was a mixup, I assumed you were the original poster(tw04).

I stand corrected.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by ada1981 »

neoromantique wrote: post #829
ada1981 wrote: post #824

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Sorry, I don't always check responses. I checked and it was a mixup, I assumed you were the original poster(tw04). I stand corrected.

Appreciate the follow up and retraction. Thanks!
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