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Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by anon291 »

gbin wrote: post #729
ecshafer wrote: post #244

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My kids are not school age yet, and I am not sure on if I will home school or not. But I do think its possible to get good socialization exposure while homeschooling. There is the neighborhood kids, you have sports and clubs kids can join, religious groups. Plus not all homeschooling is just a student staying at home all day. Some people "homeschooling" I know are groups of parents getting together to educate their c…

Yeah but this is basically people with the same social circle and religion etc...

Which is how the vast majority of the world is and how most of America is. I mean, it's not bad to be around people with different ideas or backgrounds, but it is also not some great requirement.

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by anon291 »

OneLeggedCat wrote: post #344
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #147

I can't say my public school experience was great, I was bullied and didn't really click with the popular kids, but being around a cross section of actual American kids in my age group (my school district mixed middle class with lower class neighborhoods) helped me shape my worldview and learn to deal with people who didn't look or talk like me. I frequently saw fights, so I learned that you just stay away and watch…

In the rural areas that I've lived in, it's mostly about a strong desire to supplant science and history with religious ideas and principles.

I mean in the inner city science is supplanted as well like when they close down stem schools because too many Asians or something.

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by anon291 »

ghssds wrote: post #314
usefulcat wrote: post #305

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There are certainly tradeoffs, but it's not all negative. In my experience, what it boils down to is that home-schooled kids tend to have more experience with adults and less experience dealing with a wide variety of other kids, particularly assholes. When I was a kid in public school, there was no shortage of assholes and I definitely would have preferred to not have to deal with them. OTOH, I don't doubt that there…

What happens to asshole kids? Do they become regular adults or asshole adults? Do they become soldiers or prisonners never to be seen again by normies? Do they even reach adulthood? Are they even a stable group or were we all asshole kids to some other kids?

The ones from my school mostly became good for nothing's or went to jail.

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by anon291 »

iteria wrote: post #820
programjames wrote: post #808

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A common justification for group projects was, "you have to learn how to work with people, even people who will not work." Yeah no, that's not the case. People get filtered through a much finer sieve when they're older.

But that's absolutely the case. You get on a project and someone falls ill or has to take care of someone ill. Or they're shit at their job. Or they're just not as dedicated as you. It doesn't matter if they get fired or accommodated, you have to get it done. You will be punished in some what for not getting it done, whether that is directly or indirectly. Group projects exist in any job with collaboration. You rarel…

Actually as an adult you do choose your group. At will employment is an amazing thing

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Post by switknee »

WalterBright wrote: post #714
chii wrote: post #711

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> The schools also get more funding if the students perform poorly. that's such a weird policy. The teachers can produce poorly performing students easily (without much effort i might add), but cannot do that very same for well performing students (even with effort). The incentive to produce poor performing students to get more funding means it's misaligned with the student's best interests. Schools and students _sho…

> that's such a weird policy Yup. I've taken adult lessons in things, and I don't continue to buy lessons if the coach is unable to teach me. But in the public schools, watch what happens if you suggest merit pay. Shields up, Mr Sulu! Instead, teacher pay is based on years of service and how many credentials you have.

Part of the issue with merit pay is if it's tied to simple metrics like grades, those metrics will get inflated without raising the things those metrics were meant to measure.

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

programjames wrote: post #805
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #510

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States are saying that schools have to post the 10 commandments and when teachers put up a poster about “everyone is welcomed here” showing kids of different colors it’s “too woke”. Which is funny since I (a Black guy) went to a mostly White Christian school in the 80s where they sung “Jesus loves the little children - red and yellow black and white they are all precious in his site”.

> States are saying that schools have to post the 10 commandments Yeah that definitely seems against the First Amendment (and Texas' equivalent in their Bill of Rights). I feel like the world makes more sense if you read the First Amendment as a treaty between the Christian sects that were executing one another in the colonies for heresy, rather than y'know what it literally says. > when teachers put up a poster abou…

How is telling kids it’s okay if you’re not White like the rest of the kids or you’re in a wheelchair a Democratic talking point?

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

lanfeust6 wrote: post #587
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #584

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100% Homeschooling is growing and will continue to grow because it is a cheaper alternative to private school (for people whose incomes aren't so high that the loss of one income eclipses the savings of not paying for private school, e.g. most people). The growth of homeschooling is probably highly correlated with the disconnect and distrust people have with public school. Public school already has an advantage, it's…

> it is a cheaper alternative to private school That depends. Often it means one parent stays home to educate and watch the kids, otherwise, someone else has to, and that usually costs money. If a wife otherwise would bring home a decent salary, then it isn't cheaper.

I literally said in my comment, for people who don't make so much that the loss of one spouse income is so much more than the cost of school

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by chii »

switknee wrote: post #825
WalterBright wrote: post #714

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> that's such a weird policy Yup. I've taken adult lessons in things, and I don't continue to buy lessons if the coach is unable to teach me. But in the public schools, watch what happens if you suggest merit pay. Shields up, Mr Sulu! Instead, teacher pay is based on years of service and how many credentials you have.

Part of the issue with merit pay is if it's tied to simple metrics like grades, those metrics will get inflated without raising the things those metrics were meant to measure.

but grades that are external to the school could be used as the metric - something the school cannot tamper with themselves. Grades like "international baccalaureate assessments" or some sort of university entrance exams.

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by programjames »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #826
programjames wrote: post #805

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> States are saying that schools have to post the 10 commandments Yeah that definitely seems against the First Amendment (and Texas' equivalent in their Bill of Rights). I feel like the world makes more sense if you read the First Amendment as a treaty between the Christian sects that were executing one another in the colonies for heresy, rather than y'know what it literally says. > when teachers put up a poster abou…

How is telling kids it’s okay if you’re not White like the rest of the kids or you’re in a wheelchair a Democratic talking point?

Read what I wrote:

> "Everyone is welcome here" is now a callsign for "registered Democrat".

Maybe it's suspicious that this phrase is able to distinguish Republicans from Democrats, but the point isn't the virtue of the parties, it's that it's one of the most common phrases people choose to use to distinguish themselves as Democrats. If you don't want one teacher walking around with a MAGA hat, but don't have the political power to just ban them from schools, you have to make a treaty like, "we'll ban rainbow capes and MAGA hats."

Re: Homeschooling hits record numbers

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Post by bgnn »

nightshift1 wrote: post #806
bgnn wrote: post #412

Asking as an non-US person: Is there mandatory education for children in the US? I guess homeschooling fits well with extreme individualistic American culture, no surprises there.

As a Canadian, all I can say after reading all of this is: WTF? I can't understand why anyone would want to keep their children at home instead of sending them to school, and how the government could fail so badly that so many people want to avoid public schools. We are so similar and yet so different

Yeah Canada is so weird in that sense. It's so North American in infrastructure but more European in culture.
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