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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by thrance »

dijit wrote: post #356

I think people don't tend to realise how authoritarian the internal structures of companies are. They're effectively miniature dictatorships. Normalising removing services because a tenant does something you personally find disagreeable is fine in the moment, but what happens when it's someone you support? Like when they removed Office365 access for a member of the EU parliament.[0] For me, this is more proof (not le…

Companies have a duty to ensure they don't provide services that would enable illegal behaviour. What the IDF is doing is illegal under international law and a crime against Humanity.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by andrepd »

boxed wrote: post #809
andrepd wrote: post #513

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How so? The Patriot Act was arguably the kick-off of the state of constant mass surveillance that is ubiquitous today.

The problem with the Patriot Act was mass surveillance of people who didn't need to be surveilled. In this situation we are talking about a group of people with support for genocide in the double digit percentages.

I guarantee that if my grandparents were expelled from their homes, brutalised, or killed, their homes bulldozed and annexed by the occupiers, and for the past 2 years I was the target of the most brutal genocide since Rwanda, I would probably wish worse than death to my oppressors too. But let's not get sidetracked...

PS: It's also known that for Israel and its AI killing machines, "terrorist" is defined as "male between 14 and 45". Cannot get more "mass targeted" than that.

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Post by snickerdoodle14 »

mikestew wrote: post #346
snickerdoodle14 wrote: post #319

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america sounds like such a hell-hole that would be a nice compensation package in any first world country

You’re going to base an opinion on a third-hand story? That might not even be true just to illustrate a point? I know a guy that passed BillG in a hallway and said, “hey, Bill, how’s it hangin’?” (Saw him do it; I was mortified.) Just a bottom-tier IC at the time. 20 years later, he still works there. Still an IC, though, so make of it what you will. :-) So there, now you have another folksy anecdote to balance thing…

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by snickerdoodle14 »

duxup wrote: post #328
snickerdoodle14 wrote: post #312

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> insubordination Are we talking about the military or some company?

I think that term can be / is used for individuals at companies.

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

worik wrote: post #594
MSFT_Edging wrote: post #299

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On genetic terms, the Palestinians are virtually identical to Semitic Jews. There's been plenty of slander to try to say they're more arab, but they're essentially close cousins. Which leads one to believe, perhaps a large amount of the jews in the region simply moved on with the times with the new religion taking hold. Essentially Israel/Palestine is a fight between cousins, and one side's inlaws who never actually…

> On genetic terms... ...race is fiction. Genetic analysis does not match "racial" classifications "Race" is a social construct

I think you missed my point. I'm trying to say a people split, some left, some stayed. The part that left is now doing violence on the part that stayed, claiming ownership of the area.

The goal of the genetic stuff is to point this split out, not delineate races.

Sadly though, this conflict is full of racism. The Gazans are described as "Arabs" and therefore undeserving of the land. If it turns out the Gazans are not Arabs, but also locals to the region, then what does that mean?

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Post by boxed »

andrepd wrote: post #822
boxed wrote: post #809

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with the Patriot Act was mass surveillance of people who didn't need to be surveilled. In this situation we are talking about a group of people with support for genocide in the double digit percentages.

I guarantee that if my grandparents were expelled from their homes, brutalised, or killed, their homes bulldozed and annexed by the occupiers, and for the past 2 years I was the target of the most brutal genocide since Rwanda, I would probably wish worse than death to my oppressors too. But let's not get sidetracked... PS: It's also known that for Israel and its AI killing machines, "terrorist" is defined as "male be…

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Post by buellerbueller »

SilverElfin wrote: post #597
buellerbueller wrote: post #217

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Hamas is a terrorist organization. IDF is a state-sponsored military force. I expect those two categories to behave differently from one another. Do you?

Yes, and they are. If Israel really wanted to just commit a genocide or specifically target civilians, they would have been able to act much more quickly and cause a lot more collateral damage. Is there really any doubt about this? They could have literally leveled the entire city with a munitions from air.

"Don't worry guys, it's only inefficient genocide"

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Post by basilgohar »

ars wrote: post #800
lupusreal wrote: post #699

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Today's Israel has absolutely nothing to do with ancient Israel. They took on the name as propaganda, a cynically constructed state origin myth.

Really? Nothing? It's the same people, on the same land, practicing the same religion, speaking the same language, with the same alphabet, with the same capital, with the same place names, with the same cities, with the same core texts, with the same national holidays. But that's somehow nothing? At this point you'd have to actually work hard to figure out what's not the same. Israel is an example of anti-colonialism…

It's amazing how everything you say above is proveably false.

They are not the same people. Modern day Palestinians share more ethnic heritage with the land's original inhabitants than European Zionist settlers.

The religion of the region has been different throughout time. Judaism is one religion of that region, and not the only nor even the first.

The language is not the same. Modern Hebrew that is spoken in Israel diverges significantly from the original Hebrew, which is more closely spoke by Yemeni Jews, for example.

Everything else is in your list is done by fiat, as even the the UN and the vast, vast majority of the world do not recognize Jerusalem as the capital.

Israel is the last major European colony and it's an anachronism that will go down in history as the final failed attempt at Western Imperialism.

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Post by eej71 »

hashim wrote: post #710
dotancohen wrote: post #707

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I knew that somebody would bring up the contraceptives the moment that I mentioned Ethiopians. Here, have a read: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/o49jqp/myt... > I'm sure the Gazan friends you spoke to will be overjoyed you had face-to-face conversations with them while advocating for their genocide, and that those conversations make them clearly savage enough to justify said genocide. Since October…

So in your warped logic, the few thousand combined killed by all of the groups you named are more evil than the 60,000 killed by Israel (likely 100,000+ after Israel finally lets the UN in) and the true cost of the genocide can be calculated. Also, Israel just accidentally ended up with a collateral damage rate of 50%, just like several medical doctors have attested to it accidentally sniping tens of kids and people…

I can only tell you that when I was in high school decades ago, I shared a viewpoint that was similar to yours. But after watching history unfold in real time for the last 35+ years, my viewpoint has had to shift. And shift a lot it has. I have had to begin accept some uncomfortable truths that were not yet reaching me. I see them now.

Considering that your view point is bolstered by a vast ecosystem, I do wonder what propaganda are you thinking of that is responsible for my change in views? Like what do you think I tune into that promotes the viewpoint I hold? I'm asking because I'd love to know what is so that I can listen to more of it! Mine is very hard to find. So if you know where it is - please tell me.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by tdeck »

skinkestek wrote: post #283
tdeck wrote: post #191

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Why do you use the term "completely innocent teenagers" only for Israelis? Are Palestinians teenagers guilty because of their ethnicity? Why do you ignore the many, many documented instances of torture in Israeli prisons, and the fact that the man who runs that prison system, Itamar Ben Gvir, idolizes a mass shooter who murdered Palestinians and has been convicted for supporting terrorism?

The people at the Nova festival wasn't throwing rocks at police or military when they were abducted. Neither were they trying to smuggle bombs, slash throats, stab elderly or any of the other things Palestinian Arabs get locked up for. That is what I meant by completely innocent. edit: Also, any reason why you mention Ben Gvir but not the many Palestinian Arab leaders who says worse? Any reason you don't mention the…

You just ignored the fact that the people Israel rounds up haven't been charged with a crime, let alone convicted. Israel rounded up 1500 people this month simply because they were Palestinian and live in a particular village.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/12/headlines/israeli_for...

I guess to someone with your ideology collective punishment of Palestinians is normal day, but when the world sees it we are repulsed.

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