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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Francesca Albanese has held the genocide line since day one as the UN special rapporteur on israel and palestine

She's hardly impartial. Her husband worked for the Palestinian Authority.

Isn't the PA mostly funded by Israel? Hamas and PA loathe each other.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Israel has been terrorizing and ethnically cleansing Palestinians since the inception of Zionism. Nakba was the original mass ethnic cleansing of Palestine. October 7th was a valid reaction to people violently stealing your land and killing your families. The Palestinians had even tried a peaceful March of Return only to have the IDF snipe over a thousand people. Israel is not a legitimate state, and never has been.

> October 7th was a valid reaction to people violently stealing your land and killing your families.

Well the Arab states collectively stole land 5 times the size of Israel from the Mizrahi Jews they ethnically cleansed (who now make up a majority of Israeli Jews)

So by your logic the Mizrahi Jews are entitled to enact October 7 style killings on the Arab states until they pay reparations for the land they stole.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #668

What charity can one donate to? I just can't stand just doing nothing anymore.

If you live in the United States, your greatest point of leverage may be to influence your elected government representatives to take action. Israel cannot continue without the ongoing support of the US.

>influence your elected government representatives

good luck

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Comments on this post are disabled for new accounts, but in the era of anti-BDS regulation and other measures aimed specifically at curtailing practical freedom of speech surrounding this conflict, can we really comment freely on this without anonymity? The vast majority (38/50) of US states have passed some form of anti-BDS legislation. We can also expect corporate retaliation against employees who speak about this…

I think it's a legitimate worry, but I don't think using our old accounts give us any less protections than throwaway accounts. And I doubt the people that would make such accounts have anything of interest to add to the discussion.

This is contradictory. If it's a legitimate worry, then it's reasonable for reasonable people to want to make such accounts. And reasonable people are exactly those who have things of interest.

From an HNer I'd also expect the understanding that yes, old accounts does give less protections, trivially from an information theory perspective.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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post #668

What charity can one donate to? I just can't stand just doing nothing anymore.

In 2009 the US sentenced the 5 leaders of the largest provider of humanitarian aid, The Holy Land Foundation, to 16 to 65 years in prison. The 2 guys sentenced to 65 years in prison are still in jail.

I always worry the US will do it again.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Given the deliberate creation of unlivable conditions on the ground and the absence of any viable plan for restoring Palestinian life and sovereignty, the civilian population of Gaza faces two primary and foreseeable outcomes: Mass mortality from non-combat causes: The synergistic crisis of famine, disease, and healthcare collapse makes widespread death from starvation, dehydration, and preventable illness a mathemat…

Counterfactual: let's say Israel had never blocked food or other aid (or at least not more than since before October 7) but everything else were the same. Would it still be considered a genocide?

The evidence for genocide would be substantially weaker.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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However dismayed you are by the low quality of the discussion, I promise you it bothers us even more. It's awful. Not only that but whenever a thread like this appears, tomhow and I end up spending all day on it, which is by far the worst part of the job. I don't mean to complain—that would be grotesque, given the suffering that's going on—but rather to say how much easier it would be if HN did not discuss this or si…

Serious question: Firstly, have you ever thought about the fact that one, posts like this alienate Israelis from one of the few remaining tech news sources which made them feel safe by excluding politics? (If you’re wondering what I’m talking about, in 2023, I realised that I could no longer read The Verge due to pervasive and horrendous misinformation about Israel on a tech news site) Secondly, given the havoc that…

HN has never been exclusively a site about tech: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. There are inevitably some stories with political overlap, though we try to prevent them from dominating the frontpage. I've gone into this in detail in other comments in this thread, with links to past explanations:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45267159

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45269414

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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From a historical, economic, social perspective... Why does Israel hold so much power over the world?

The theory I've been operating under is that Israel was created as a pretty bad solution to displaced Jews post-WWII, and operates essentially as a vassal state of the US's commercial military interests as a totally intractable perma-war in the region to ensure that even in lieu of other conflict taxpayer money can continuously be laundered to them in the form of expended munitions. There's obviously a lot more going…

IIRC and AFAIK the plans for Israel were made by the precursors to UN way before Holocaust.

Holocaust was not the reason for the plan for a Jewish national home in historic Israel, Arab persecution of Jews in the region was.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Given all the hatred that is going around, I believe the genocide is real. And if it's not real yet, it will be if someone doesn't put a stop to this. But all the reporting does not add up. Half the pictures Hamas shows of starving children aren't legitimate. They're children with medical conditions, not in Gaza, or from a different conflict. The number of people starving to death each day are in the single or low do…

I think starving children with medical conditions is even worse! I really do not understand the recent Free Press articles about how news reporting about how children in Gaza are starving is not legitimate because the starving children in question had a medical condition. How does that matter? What audience is this news for? It makes everyone involved look like ghouls.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel. I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.

Honesty, openness and transparency are a hard requirement if one is ever to diffuse polarization. As a result, your euphemizing by "Netanyahu's methods" to convey "UN-affirmed genocide" is polarizing, the opposite of what you claim to stand for.
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