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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by alex1138 »

mda wrote: post #682
beepbopboopp wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, but further more, there are 100s of comments about "the genocide" here, but almost none about what Israel should do. They have a neighbor who just committed a huge act of terror and whos standing installed political party calls for the elimination of the country. They live in a region where their ethnic group has essentially been wiped out systematically in all neighboring countries. So, "Stop the genocide" and…

Stop the genocide. Then, don't start the genocide. Not very hard. Do you really think there are / were no other options? Think harder.

There are numerous reports that IDF does what it can to root out Hamas among the general pop. They call people before strikes, they distribute leaflets

Think harder

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by tdeck »

atoav wrote: post #608
kn0where wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fine to accept your mom or your neighbor changing their mind, but I think we should be skeptical of politicians changing their mind and consider what hidden, calculated motives they may have for changing it now, when they had plenty of information to reach the same conclusion over a year ago.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Cane and stick. Politician who come over to your site get the cane, those who continue to support Netanyahu get the stick. Always give cornered animals a way out unless you want to have them put up more fight than you want. This is the smart thing to do if your goal is to build a broad movement that achieves effective change in the real world. When serving emotions and looki…

I know this is a trivial thing to point out in the context of such a discussion but the expression you want is "carrot and stick". A cane is a kind of stick that you can also hit with, the verb "to cane" means to hit someone with a stick.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by originalvichy »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #751

I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective. There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct act…

When you have nukes, you can do anything. The next 10 years will literally change the future of this planet, because Israel turned nuclear deterrence into "right to attack anyone and not face consequences". It's straight out of Russia's playbook, and many countries who thought they would never need a nuclear deterrence realize that they actually might need one. North Korea's dictatorship looks like a bunch of geniuses right now and it's sad and scary that giving the Israeli military zero pushback (and even encouragement from the US) will result in a nuclear arms race.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by tdeck »

Zacharias030 wrote: post #798
sc970 wrote: post #788

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder." Is this referring to the Hamas Charter? Suspect it is a typo and you meant to say both sides.

Mass murder through starvation and shooting children at aid stations.

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by pluto_modadic »

pegasus wrote: post #780
throw310822 wrote: post #709

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While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

Was it clear? Did we always ignore it? Not convinced at all. All was and is not well in Palestine, but one thing I know, it ain't cut-and-dry, and Israel going all Hamas on Palestine doesn't make it so either.

given that Israel expanded their borders repeatedly, poisoned village wells, and considers the genocidal periods of the Nakba (their "independence holiday") something that's illegal to mourn... yes. yes it was always clear. the playbook has been the same since 1948.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by slightwinder »

throw310822 wrote: post #709
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

> - the situation was actually very clear from the start

Which start? There are so many in that conflict.

> - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades.

So did the other sides. For outsiders, it's very hard to know what's really going on in that region; so many history, so many details, so many emotions, so many abuse and killing... It's a chain of reactions and counter-reactions which is going for over a century. Don't assume that everyone can know everything.

Israel was also very good at manipulating the Western World and building on their collective guilt. Even if a politician knew what was going on, it would have been political suicide to speak out too much about this. Even now, it's a delicate topic. And people still blindly spreading hate against all Jews, while it's mainly the fault of some factions, is also not really helping the cause here.

> - I don't hear any apology about the above

Apologize for what? At the end of the day, there are all trapped in a situation where they have very little control.

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Post by woodpanel »

throw310822 wrote: post #709
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

While I agree it's very important to welcome people who changed their minds, there are a few things that still annoy me: - the situation was actually very clear from the start - Israel has been illegally occupying, enforcing apartheid, committing war crimes for decades. You always ignored it. - I don't hear any apology about the above, nor any indication that these people won't return to their default stance of prete…

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Post by aa-jv »

cm2012 wrote: post #339
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

One could certainly argue about methods, but on October 8th, what options did Israel have except invasion of Gaza?

What options did the Palestinian people have after the atrocities of October 6th?

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Post by LightBug1 »

asdefghyk wrote: post #398
LightBug1 wrote: post #276

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This man is definitely not the only one who has come forward. At want point to do you actually take multiple witnesses and believe them? Many aid agencies and other sources on the ground have also verified many of the claims, when journalists can't (considering they've been banned from entering). Are all the aid agencies lying too? And sometimes, just sometimes, in this world of AI now, video evidence is accurate. Th…

How do you know that Hamas is not involved in these cases? You can not. Also a high percentage of the said 50,000 killed would have to be Hamas terrorists. Also, Hamas would be working overtime to make this new way of food distribution to fail. Gaza people would not want to blame Hamas at ALL, since Hamas kills people who criticize them. This has happened in Past In fact it is reported Hamas told Gaza people not to g…

You appear to have ignored everything I said. I hope you don't mind if I return the favour.

I'll just end by saying that, to me, Israels actions in terms of Gaza over the last 2 years mean I do not differentiate those who carry out the actions from Nazi's (dictionary definitions). And that applies to those who support those actions. I've worded this carefully so you know that I do not refer to all Israeli's, because I don't. But it probably applies to you.

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