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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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You’re using a software fault which wore out the flash as evidence of poorly designed electronics?

If the flash was better, the product wouldn't fail so quickly. It's really a combination of poorly designed electronics, and a software bug wasn't there, the fault wouldn't have popped up so early.

All solid state chips have a write limit

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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> Because tesla as a brand is uniquely tied to musk. Which is because he is in the media a lot. I can understand the impact on your brand as things are, but it would be interesting to see how well other manufacturers would stand up to scrutiny. > musk wasn't tesla's face and main profiteer of any purchase. The face bit of it makes sense. As for "main profiteer", he is the single largest shareholder, but its about 13%…

Even ignoring his initial shares from funding Tesla, he has been compensated more than Tesla has ever made in profits

Will an increase in sales primarily increase his compensation or profits?

I do find it surprising that such ridiculously generous pay was approved by shareholders and think it rather prove what GK Galbraith said: "The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself".

On the other hand there are limits, and at this point I wonder whether shareholders will decide he is a liability and not pay him so well in future. If I was a shareholder I would want to sack him.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Slate have done this and it's really quite compelling. You even get window winders. https://www.slate.auto/en/personalization

I was quite interested in this until I realized: * Bed size is just five feet * Towing capacity is just 1000 lbs * Not AWD None of these can be retrofitted after the sale. Where I live, it'd struggle to be called a "truck" with these limitations.

It's not a truck. It's for people who need more than a car, but less than a truck. A Cuck? (oh, wait...) A Truar? Either way, those specs are plenty for the average person that just wants to haul some stuff, or pull a small trailer, and not burn too much energy while doing it (or not doing it).

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Those are not safety addons, those are surveillance ones

It's surveillance if the car manufacturer wants to use it for that.

Really, it's only surveillance, thinly veiled as safety. The reality is that my car is no safer with an LTE modem. Zilch. Zero. It's purely surveillance, if you don't fall for the marketing.

In fact, I'm going to find mine and faraday that shit this weekend.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I’m not sure I understand everything you said but I went with Dacia Duster, it’s the affordable brand, but I like that I can have a new car that has the controls and everything like a car from a decade ago… (lol) physical buttons, relatively good quality as they get to rely on Renault’s everything, I don’t need to go to settings to open the glove box, they don’t try to “out-innovate” everybody with ads, subscription…

They also have a poor safety rating from NCAP (at least they did 2 years ago), because they don't fit their cares with electronic aids such as emergency automatic braking, which is just another reason to buy one.

The electronic safeties are negligible compared to the mechanical crushing on impact

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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> customers simply don't believe good interfaces are worth the money I guess I'm in the minority, then, but as a data point: I own a VW ID.4 and I'd pay significantly more to get software that isn't such a burning dumpster tire fire. And no, the excuses provided in this thread don't cut it. To be clear: it doesn't even annoy me anymore that the infotainment is slow and crappy, I've gotten used to it and I just never…

Well, consider, you could have paid more for a different car that has better software, like a Tesla, Lucid, Rivian ... but you didn't. I'm not blaming you, I initially thought a VW ID.4 was a cool option. It just wasn't clear to the marketplace how bad the software was, and it's easy to assume "it's fine, I don't need fancy stuff" until you live with it and see how fundamentally bad the software is. How is the market…

> you could have paid more for a different car that has better software, like a Tesla, Lucid, Rivian ... but you didn't

At the time, I did not pay much attention to the software, because I never expected it could be so bad. Now I know better, and my next choice will consider software as one of the main factors (I don't be buying a swasticar anytime soon, though).

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Then you want the Dacia Media Control. It has a phone holder where other trim levels would place the screen, and USB power around there. Other than that, the car is mostly Bluetooth a speaker. They actually have an app that allows you to tune the FM radio, otherwise I don't think you can listen to radio broadcasts. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dacia.dngo

The issue is you're still driving a, somehow, even worse Renault.

The latest Duster is actually really nice - if you haven't tried it I would strongly recommend it.

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I worked in similar systems and you are 100% right. 80% of the time was spent on communication protocols between the different boards and microcontrollers. QAing and solving issues from short-sighted dozens of unique custom protocols that worked in non-standard ways (every time a component needs to talk to another component a new protocol was invented). When you have dozens of communication lines required between dif…

For american cars at least, I read that one of the reasons this process exists is because car companies want to work around union rules for manufacturing by outsourcing components of the cars to subcontractors that they can make deals with. Ultimately it's a price control strategy to pit these suppliers against each other to lower costs. But it means that designing these electronic sub-systems isn't just a question o…

If that was a main factor, surely then Mexico should be ground zero for next-generation car electronics design? Like, Tijuana or Ciudad Juarez.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Horns were disabled in Chongqing at least a couple of decades ago. I’m not sure what it’s like now though, but the government in China can and will deal with excessive horning using means we wouldn’t consider in the west.

They straight up banned horning in Shanghai when I was there in 2017 using some kind of camera system IIRC, it was quite jarring when I continued onto Nanjing and the usual cacophony resumed. They also banned lane changing over solid lines with the same camera system IIRC

Ya, China has no problem using camera/recognition tech to its fullest. I wonder if other societies will eventually be outcompeted (cheaper law & order costs means Chinese cities will be more efficient) or if there is some huge cost (privacy violations that lead to economic consequences) to this that will make it less competitive.
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