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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by tverbeure »

uticus wrote: post #792
tverbeure wrote: post #673

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I never worked on radio modems, but I've worked on wireline modems: the issue is not the math or the standard algorithms, it's making it interoperable with everything that's existing out there and all environment conditions while working around bugs of other implementations. It is a ridiculous amount of work and if you're new to the business, it takes a long time just to be build the lab test suite. And you need to s…

> Radio effect are rarely an issue with regular chips. I'm an amateur, so welcome correction with this, but I'm also not convinced. For one example, ref this RFI mitigation with Intel's gen 12 processors: https://edc.intel.com/content/www/cn/zh/design/ipla/software...

I meant RF impact on the internal functioning of the chip, not the other way around. EMI has always been a thing, it's not specific to state of the art CPUs.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by bgnn »

nimish wrote: post #671
bri3d wrote: post #620

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Tacking on: the devil in a modern baseband is in the firmware. The analog domain stuff is generally handled by increasingly commoditized RF frontends outside of the baseband processor, and then either clean analog IQ or more recently, even digital samples (DAC and ADC moved to frontend) are sent to the baseband processor. A baseband is a really fancy specialized SDR. Most are based on arcane VLIW DSP architectures li…

If you look at the math it's not even that complicated. Basic statistical inference and information theory. Seems like the difficult part is doing that effectively while avoiding IP issues -- patents on software and math have entrenched Qualcomm's dominance. Imagine if all of the IP for ML or AI were held by a single company that got the regulating body (ITU/3GPP) to require their use. Makes a mockery of FRAND terms.

It is extremely hard to design a modem like this. Just the ADCs and DACs you need are like 2-3 year development and 1-2 year testing before going into production.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by jereees »

scarface_74 wrote: post #505
philistine wrote: post #331

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They design the chip that powers the phone. Apple designs their chips to include exactly the IO they need, and nothing more. The A18 chip does not have the IO to support USB-3 speeds on the port. No A18 device supports USB 3 speeds. It's maddening but it is a question of cost; it's just pennies, and Apple is for sure not passing on the savings to us.

The 15 and 16 Pro lines support USB 3 speeds.

But neither support Thunderbolt :v

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by saagarjha »

walterbell wrote: post #776
saagarjha wrote: post #623

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Yes but of course they don’t actually consider this to be something they want to support

Eventually they did allow UTM SE into the App Store in July 2024, https://daringfireball.net/linked/2024/07/15/app-store-utm-s... .

I meant apps using the Hypervisor APIs on iPadOS

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by asdff »

jval43 wrote: post #731
asdff wrote: post #572

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I'm not talking about second hand. I'm talking about new from the carrier old model phones. Here is the verizon page for iphone 14s they have, you can get them for 0 down 0 a month through some deal from the cell phone plan. Apple can't compete with free. https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/

I only see plans with 65$/month for 36 months, so 2340$ over 3 years. Which is a lot of money. They even tell you what the actual rate is in the fine print. It's just priced in: 17.49$ over 36 months comes out to 629$. > Monthly payments shown are for customers who qualify to pay $0 Down, $17.49/mo. for36months; 0% APR. Retail Price: $629.99

A lot of people are eligible for carrier subsidized upgrades every few years as well. When I did this I could have gotten my SE2 for free from verizon from my plan. I chose to pay like $200 premium to get it with the highest storage sku.

It isn't just verizon either. Here is metropcs offering free iphone 13s for new customers:

https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by asdff »

fuomag9 wrote: post #726
asdff wrote: post #572

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I'm not talking about second hand. I'm talking about new from the carrier old model phones. Here is the verizon page for iphone 14s they have, you can get them for 0 down 0 a month through some deal from the cell phone plan. Apple can't compete with free. https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/apple-iphone-14/

I’ve never seen something like that here in Italy. Here you pay for both the phone AND the plan :(

When the iphone 1 came out on AT&T it was initially sold like that and basically no one had it. Everyone still used their free full keyboard phone with unlimited texting (another american only cellphone market concept that prevented whatsapp from ever lifting off the ground here). Once they got it off that deal and had it with multiple carriers that could offer a carrier subsidized phone, then the dam broke and basically everyone had an iphone or an android phone overnight (same carrier subsidized deals available there, usually better).

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by wilg »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #814
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no it isn't. also im not trying to make it punchy, im trying to clarify my point.

> im not trying to make it punchy, im trying to clarify my point Your phrasing requires prior knowledge of the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro. It's also defining an interval without giving context to whether that interval is meaningful, where on the interval the 16e exists, and if any of the preceding are meaningful. The increased precision comes at the cost of conciseness and clarity. Apple's, on the other hand, tells…

I'm arguing that the 6.1" screen and 6.3" screen both represent the same form factor since they occupy the same slot in the iPhone product matrix.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by wc304 »

wuming2 wrote: post #740

Still happy with my iPhone 7. Replaced display and battery, at an Apple Store, last year. Gaming, AI and photography are curiosities I look at from afar. For the rest it drives me around on vacation via CarPlay and Apple Maps. Handles my home banking, pre paid card and Apple Pay without a hitch. Chatting and calling on too many apps. Manages my digital IDs, medical records, emails, notes and calendar. Translates my c…

Same but 7+, it’s great. Battery got replaced every 42 months at 80%, and the only inconvenience for me with it is it doesn’t support iOS16/17+ apps and features like Grok, Tesla’s auto trunk open, and Garmin’s fitness app. I’m curious what shortcut/automations do you use? And I’m wondering in general how X’s Grok feature is any different functionally from their standalone iOS17+ app.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by kalleboo »

uni_baconcat wrote: post #628
GeekyBear wrote: post #442

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In the past, Qualcomm was infamous for high licensing fees. However, part of the process of creating an open industry standard like 4G/5G is getting a legally binding commitment from the patent holders to license standards essential patents to all takers on "reasonable" terms. > If the patent holder refuses upon request to license a patent that has become essential to a standard, then the standard-setting organizatio…

And I noticed that Apple C1 skipped 3G network entirely. Only has 2G,4G and 5G support.

The iPhone 16e Tech Specs page lists 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) support. It's missing CDMA, but they already dropped that way back with the iPhone 14

https://www.apple.com/iphone-16e/specs/

5G NR (Bands n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n14, n20, n25, n26, n28, n29, n30, n38, n40, n41, n48, n53, n66, n70, n71, n75, n76, n77, n78, n79)

FDD‑LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)

TD‑LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 48, 53)

UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz)

GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)

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