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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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ChatGPT is literally generating billions in revenue. Cursor is the fastest growing company of all time. This lame HN trope of LLMs having no business model needs to die.

HN has turned into the Slashdot of the 2000s. No wireless? Less space than a Nomad? Lame.

I suspect a lot of the active users on HN today don't remember Slashdot of 2000...

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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ChatGPT is literally generating billions in revenue. Cursor is the fastest growing company of all time. This lame HN trope of LLMs having no business model needs to die.

OpenAI is losing money on their $200/mo (!!) Pro subscription[0]. [0]: https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/06/altman_gpt_profits/

But making money off their subscriptions in general. They lose it all training models and on R&D

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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A very impressive debut. No doubt they benefited from all the research and discoveries that have preceded it. Maybe the best outcome of a competitive Grok is breaking the mindshare stranglehold that ChatGPT has on the public at large and with HN. There are many good frontier models that are all very close in capabilities.

This is grok 3, so not a debut

It is a debut of their thinking mode iirc.

Unfortunately LLMs are shifting compute time to test time instead of train time. I don't really like this and frankly it shows a stalling of the architectures, data sets, etc...

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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The premise is that this ultimately replaces all intellectual and physical labor for the rest of time. It’s possible it becomes commoditized as soon as it exists, but in terms of investment dollars it’s either worth as much as you can spend or nothing at all.

> ultimately replaces all intellectual and physical labor for the rest of time Sounds incredibly valuable, but in reality collapses into Butlerian Jihad fairly quickly when you have 90% unemployment. Edit: if the claims are true, then this will be far more destabilizing than social media. What do elections mean when the AI-guided political parties are putting out AI press releases for the AI press summaries, which vo…

> Sounds incredibly valuable, but in reality collapses into Butlerian Jihad fairly quickly when you have 90% unemployment.

But nobody really knows if that happens or not as a consequence, let alone quickly, because the transition itself only happened at all so far in fiction.

Whatever does happen, I think it's going to be a surprise to at a minimum 80% of the population.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Controversial opinion but I think the AI game studio idea is a very good one. Not because I think they will make any money off the games, but dogfooding will lead to so much more improvement than relying on feedback from external customers.

Because 'dogfooding' has worked so well for other products... If you don't get feedback from the people actually playing your game (or using your product), you will never get the improvement you need to help them. You can have the most talented passionate people there are developing a product, but if it's not working for the people you want to sell it to, it's the wrong product. Most tech products are terrible becaus…

I see. So you don't know what dogfooding is.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Grok 3 at the top of Chatboat Arena with 1400, and the model will continue to improve as it trains more.

And Anthropic not even in the top 10 ...

Anthropic best model is Sonnet 3.5 in my opinion. The reason its good is it is very effective for the price and fast. (I do think Google has caught up a lot in this regard). However, not having COT makes its results worse than similarly cheap COT based models.

Leaderboards don't care about cost. Leaderboards largely rank a combination of accuracy + speed. Anthropic has fell behind Google in accuracy + speed (again missing COT), and frankly behind Google in raw speed.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Controversial opinion but I think the AI game studio idea is a very good one. Not because I think they will make any money off the games, but dogfooding will lead to so much more improvement than relying on feedback from external customers.

What is dogfooding?

Eat your own dog food, i.e. use your own product

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Karpathy gave his initial impression: https://x.com/karpathy/status/1891720635363254772 The pull quote is: The impression overall I got here is that this is somewhere around (OpenAI) o1-pro capability

Related ongoing thread:

Andrej Karpathy: "I was given early access to Grok 3 earlier today" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43092066 - Feb 2025 (48 comments)

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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>Not available in Europe currently I hate how its the same story for every new AI technology. If someone can tell me who to vote for or where to protest to change this awful EU law, that would be great.

totally agree. And this is one of the reasons the EU is falling more and more behind, all the silly regulations.

I'm increasingly happy we have these regulations that prevent us from being ruled by the likes of Musk.
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