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The Origins of Wokeness

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Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#821

Sorry, but at this point I don't think this article is appropriate for this website Additionally, what's with the amount of US politics discussion increasing lately

It's not increasing - whatever you're seeing is most likely random fluctuation. HN's approach to political stories was established a long time ago and we aren't changing it.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

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post #94

He is attacking a straw man, by defining "woke" in a far narrower sense than it is actually used. Any objection to any form of prejudice, or any indication that the speaker is aware that members of some groups are better off than others, will be labelled "woke" by many commenters. It's to the point where some bigots say "woke" in the exact same places that their grandparents would say "n***-lover". But instead Graham…

No that’s the most common usage now. It’s almost exclusively used pejoratively. Very few people use it in a positive sense anymore.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#823
I have observed Hacker News commenters to be more predominantly left-leaning and "WOKE" compared to the general population. Not sure what the reason may be, but it is possible that they are taught about woke culture in their companies or universities. Generally, compared to the founder and startup culture that we all aspire for, wokeness is more prevalent in the majority of the YC audience.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#824
I couldnt get past his definition of woke. It seems to mean "brown lady in my video game" today but the ranticle didnt seem to even care. It just wanted to hate on social justice.

The issue is this: 2010s SJWs were annoying. Gamergate, anti DEI, anti Woke people of today are even more annoying.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#825

is this just me or this post also seems to be indicating some form of "moral superiority" and bias in the author's thinking? To me it seems like Musk's twitter takoever has done more than just "neutralize" the wokeness of twitter. It has amplified factless-ness and fake claims beyond proportion. https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/how-elon-musk-twi...

In general an essay writer believes his opinion is the correct one. Otherwise he wouldn’t write the essay.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

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post #82

Certainly this essay is, mostly, “not wrong”. But I was hoping PG might use his powerful brain and hundreds of words to explain how one should combat structural racism and sexism without the unfortunate side effect of “wokeness”. As far as I can see, he just recommended you do it “quietly”. Disappointing.

Here’s how:

Don’t discriminate on the basis of sex and race.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#827

This is a politically charged discussion but I think it demonstrates some of the problem. Left arguments, just like the right, devolve into a theme of you are with us or a racist. There is no middle ground. I am no longer in the Bay Area but I still remember one of the depressing defining moments of this during the BLM protests. Shop owners would throw up signs that literally would say “We are minority owned, please…

Let me share the perspective I have as a member of a class of people that have been subject to racism for thousands of years, including enslavement, arbitrary murder, and systematic mass murder. Please forgive me, but being quiet didn't seem to work so far. At least hundreds of thousands of polite, quiet, reasonable, assimilated urban Jews were murdered in the holocaust. It is deeply wrong that African Americans and…

Hear, hear.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#828
I attended a corporate training on harassment where it said you can’t say “all hands” because it’s disrespectful toward people without hands. Use “town hall” instead.

On one hand, sure it’s an easy substitution to make. On the other hand, who decides these things? How does this affect our company? Do people without hands actually care? It all adds up and it’s wearisome like PG says, all these rules and you just try to avoid stepping on one.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

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post #371

Unbelievable how anti-pg hn has gotten. I don't think what pg is saying is anything new, he's always had the same sentiment around anti-censorship, anti-authoritarian/mob and pro-breaking-the-rules attitude. It's called "hacker" news for a reason.

shrug Well I've been on HN for about 20 years, and I'm not anti-pg (he's about 50/50 by my accounting). I'm also anti-censorship, anti-authoritarian, anti-mob. But he missed the mark here. It feels like he published a first-draft without getting any dissenting takes on one of the biggest hot-button topics on the web. I (or a million other people) would have been happy to read a draft of this and explain that he'd cre…

NINE other millionaires read this weird, angry screed. Not a single one felt the need to gently guide Paul Graham towards the truth.

These people are willfully ignorant, but they're so arrogant that they think that they're right about everything.

Re: The Origins of Wokeness

#830
post #48

For me, Urban Dictionary[0] defines this issue much more clearly: > When this term became popularized, initially the meaning of this term was when an individual become more aware of the social injustice. Or basically, any current affairs related like biased, discrimination, or double-standards. > However, as time passed by, people started using this term recklessly, assigning this term to themselves or someone they k…

Also: Of Course You Know What "Woke" Means https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42683826

This is a significantly better article than the wandering drivel of the original post
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