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Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant shift from road to rail

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Re: Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant shift from road to rail

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Post by pfdietz »

The_Colonel wrote: post #798
pfdietz wrote: post #610

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In the US, we see many places where rail has been abandoned. In the place I live (upstate NY, Finger Lakes) there are multiple walking trails that were previously locations of rail lines, which shut down more than half a century ago. The rails themselves are long gone. In some places you can see where earth was moved and concrete structures were installed to allow drainage. Maintaining these lines made no sense with…

Yes, US had a more built-up rail system in the past. But it's naive to think it died because of fair economic competition.

People certainly didn't complain about having paved roads, or being able to buy their own automobiles. I understand it's frustrating when the public goes charging off in a direction you don't want them to.

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Post by withinboredom »

chgs wrote: post #568
withinboredom wrote: post #497

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> Public transport might be unpleasant for the individual Where is this true?

When it’s overcrowded, typically caused by policies such as work from office.

At least here, that only happens the day after holidays.

Re: Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant shift from road to rail

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Post by retinaros »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #808
retinaros wrote: post #803

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everything I wrote I’ve seen it with my own eyes. saying brother to you is much more respectful than you calling me a russian troll. I am a second generation immigrant born in one of the worst suburb of Paris and everything I described I have seen it with my own eyes. also I don’t own a car. I just traveled and lived in many places (in US and asia) and can totally say the Paris subway is a horrible experience. people…

> strong political bias that make them bend the facts I have a strong political bias because I feel the need to intervene when someone spread utter lies about stabbings in the Paris metro. Sure, I’m the one having issues here. The issue is not accepting your experience. You are talking non sense about factual things. Parisians mostly don’t take the bus by the way. The buses are awful and have been running like shit f…

so now you half agree with me saying bus are awful. I just have now to convince you on trains, the other public transportation :)

many parisians take the bus to go through paths that are not covered well by subway especially true for horizontal paths for instance in left bank. ive seen a few stabbings myself taking rer and subway. i was even there when a random guy was stabbing people a few years back in st denis for no reason. I saw young people take out knives to fight after an argument, I ve seen people holding knives to threaten others. why do you think even the SNCF when they moved their office to saint denis wanted to have a specific arrival gate for their employees-only before backtracking when someone smarter than the average told them it would send the wrong message? have you came out next to barbes? have you seen that people got murdered just in front of gare du nord for no reason? have you been to north east stations where a horde (the right word) of junkies are crawling in the station and are all dangerous?

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Post by eru »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #815
eru wrote: post #809

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> Do you chew gum when you are at home in Singapore? No, you don't, because it's illegal. Did you agree to that, were even you given a choice? No, of course not. It's more like a license than a contract. > Singapore is more authoritarian than most liberal democracies. The Singaporean government is a smaller part of life than in most other places. Much less red tape to fill out before you are allowed to do anything an…

Well I'm not going back to Singapore until they treat gay men like myself better. I've been there; Singapore is a private money pit/playground for Western and Asian high business, much like Dubai.

When have you last been? They have recently improved the de jure treatment of gay people. (The de facto treatment hasn't changed.)

I agree that the laws about homosexuality are weird, but they are also democratic: it's broadly in line with what the population wants as far as I can tell.

Re: Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant shift from road to rail

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Post by RandomThoughts3 »

retinaros wrote: post #823
RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #808

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> strong political bias that make them bend the facts I have a strong political bias because I feel the need to intervene when someone spread utter lies about stabbings in the Paris metro. Sure, I’m the one having issues here. The issue is not accepting your experience. You are talking non sense about factual things. Parisians mostly don’t take the bus by the way. The buses are awful and have been running like shit f…

so now you half agree with me saying bus are awful. I just have now to convince you on trains, the other public transportation :) many parisians take the bus to go through paths that are not covered well by subway especially true for horizontal paths for instance in left bank. ive seen a few stabbings myself taking rer and subway. i was even there when a random guy was stabbing people a few years back in st denis for…

> so now you half agree with me saying bus are awful

They are awful because they are never on time. Your post is pure delusion. I feel insulted by you even implying I could half agree.

> why do you think even the SNCF when they moved their office to saint denis wanted to have a specific arrival gate for their employees-only before backtracking when someone smarter than the average told them it would send the wrong message?

You are unlucky. I was working as a contractor for SNCF at the time of the move so I 100% know that what you are saying is pure bullshit. There never was a plan for a separate gare. The part of Saint Denis where SNCF is is perfectly safe anyway. I find it hilarious that you think it's even possible to open a new gare for a specific use case on the RER D, one of the busiest line in one of the busiest metro network.

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Post by thehappypm »

geysersam wrote: post #799
thehappypm wrote: post #786

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I gave data showing that the hundreds of billions of tax dollars spent on roads supports trillions of miles traveled, while billions of dollars spent on Amtrak (largest rail system in the US) leads to an order of magnitude less miles traveled

Yes but like I said the comparison is totally flawed since you counted all costs for Amtrak but only a subset of costs for car traffic. If you are convinced roads+cars is an order of magnitude more efficient than rail, maybe you can explain what you think is the cause of that difference. Does rail require more land? Does it require more maintenance hours? Does it require more expensive materials? Does it require high…

operating and capital costs for transit in the USA are absolutely sky-high compared to the rest of the world. It doesn’t cost Japan billions to extend their subway a couple miles, but it does in NYC. The “why” is complex but well documented.

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Post by eru »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #814
ipaddr wrote: post #748

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You can visit your local park hopefully you live in an area with one. You can invest time using transit to get to another park. Traveling during rush hour would be difficult. Traveling with many children or younger children adds a difficulty. Being disabled or older or worse disabled with children more difficult. For the young, childless, plenty of time on their hands or live next to a park of course walking a few st…

Disabled etc spots are different imo. But most sane places have a mixture of parks/shops/other facilities within the bounds of a small neighbourhood that are easily walkable for most.

You can also use a bike or take a cab etc.

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Post by retinaros »

RandomThoughts3 wrote: post #825
retinaros wrote: post #823

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so now you half agree with me saying bus are awful. I just have now to convince you on trains, the other public transportation :) many parisians take the bus to go through paths that are not covered well by subway especially true for horizontal paths for instance in left bank. ive seen a few stabbings myself taking rer and subway. i was even there when a random guy was stabbing people a few years back in st denis for…

> so now you half agree with me saying bus are awful They are awful because they are never on time. Your post is pure delusion. I feel insulted by you even implying I could half agree. > why do you think even the SNCF when they moved their office to saint denis wanted to have a specific arrival gate for their employees-only before backtracking when someone smarter than the average told them it would send the wrong me…

not a separate gare they wanted to have a specific arrival bridge to go to the office. about the perfectly safe I guess your colleagues disagreed and I also disagreed for having spent 20 year in st denis projects. but I guess im a russian troll : https://www.lemonde.fr/banlieues/article/2013/01/24/la-sncf-...

https://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/2013/01/16/20005-20130116AR...

https://www.nouvelobs.com/rue89/rue89-vie-de-bureau/20140502...

Re: Germany's 49-euro ticket resulted in significant shift from road to rail

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Post by retinaros »

aconst wrote: post #817
retinaros wrote: post #754

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pickpockets an oddity? brother I took all the suburban trains you can think of, the paris subway on a regular basis ive seen people injecting their arms on the wagon, antisemitic attacks, stabbings, punching, people shit on the floor, drunks and pickpockets are a daily thing in paris in EVERY public transportation. some bus lines in non-touristic areas are even so infamous that everyday legions of comments tell stori…

Living since almost 15 years near Paris, in a few different places, regularly taking line B, C, D, M6, M7, M13, M1, some buses, as part of my regular commute, and have never encountered the shit you are talking about. I do know that some places are more problematic than others, by example M6 drivers regularly warn of pickpockets on saturdays (it's a touristic line, the only one I regularly take that have such announc…

could you draw the magic wall that blocks pickpockets from stealing non touristic areas? i wanna make sure im not in one. you can go tonight around 8pm to porte de la villette and come back here tell me you felt safe.

even the RATP asking to close their stations but I am the one talking shit : https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/paris-ile-de-france/...

its very hard to understand paris subway is a living hell if you did not travel to better subways cities. seoul, tokyo, hong kong, taipei are what a subway should be. anything less is hell

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Post by carlosjobim »

bluGill wrote: post #777
carlosjobim wrote: post #686

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A car is an incredibly complex and incredibly useful machine. In a non-feudal banker run economy, a car would cost 5 times as much as a house. Or rather the house would be 5 times cheaper than the car.

The cost of something is not related to what it is worth to life. In any case the real measure is what someone is willing to pay. I'm driving a 25 year old car because I choose to buy a more expensive house, and put my kids in various activities - as a result I don't have enough money left over to pay for a new car. I do have enough money to pay for a used car when the current one breaks and is unfixable, but I have…

A 25 year old car is still several orders of magnitude more complex than a house.

Any man can build a house for himself and his family if he sets his mind to it.

Almost no man can build an even semi-modern car. They depend on huge supply chains and thousands of specialized workers.

The house is artificially made more expensive than the car, as a vehicle for inflationary money making.

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