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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by gottorf »

GolfPopper wrote: post #246
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

"The mythical tie between immigration and crime"[1] 1. https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigra...

As far as I understand it, this study is of limited use in discussing today's illegal immigration wave because of two reasons: one, it does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants; and two, it does not distinguish between the incentives driving immigrants before the establishment of the welfare state and those thereafter.

It stands to obvious reason that an invited houseguest is better-behaved than one that jumped the fence to be there, and doubly so if there is free cake being served. Any claims to the contrary need to examine the two groups separately.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kgwgk »

duskwuff wrote: post #20
toast0 wrote: post #14

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> Cuba would be a great travel destination. It's been a while since I visited places outside the US, but one of the shocking things was travel ads for Cuba everywhere. From what I can tell, US-Cuban relations seem to be at the whim of the US President. Most of the US population doesn't care; most of the rest of the world has fine relations with Cuba, but isn't going to pressure the US. Nobody is sending missiles to C…

> Nobody is sending missiles to Cuba anymore. Or are they? https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/americas/russian-navy-cuba-in...

China is Cuba's main commercial partner but their relationship is purely commercial. A military cooperation has surely not even crossed their minds.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by twixfel »

mharig wrote: post #782
twixfel wrote: post #702

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I am a British immigrant in Germany and I can vouch for how impossible it is to integrate into these northern European societies, if the rest are anything like Germany. I tick all the boxes of what German boomers would want in a "Good Immigrant" (white, educated, from western Europe, speaks German, good job), but it doesn't help. I think overall Germans, deep down, don't really want us here. We are here to pay for th…

Continental Europeans have very bad experiences with British tourists. I really like Brits, but just if they stay on their Islands. And I am quite sure I get support from around a 100 Million dead guys from India. Turks are a very big community (I guess more than 20 Million counting all generations) in Germany with a lot of not well adapted folk. In my 2500 souls german home village live people from more than 40 nati…

Aren't you just proving my point, though? Your post is objectively xenophobic.

> Continental Europeans have very bad experiences with British tourists

Funnily enough I've never been anywhere where our trashy British tourists go (why would I?). So actually I don't know what they're like, but I've heard very bad things. I've also heard even worse things about the Dutch, though.

> And I am quite sure I get support from around a 100 Million dead guys

Well whoever they are that you're talking about, they are dead, so I am not sure they're in a position to support you at all. Having said that, I wonder what the all the dead Europeans and Jews murdered by Germans would think of Germany.

> But the shithole you live in of course may vary

I live and work in Hamburg.

>Turks are a very big community (I guess more than 20 Million counting all generations) in Germany with a lot of not well adapted folk.

Yes, because of how the majority ethnic German population treated them and continues to treat them. It's a very racist country. That's what living and working in Germany and falling in love with a Turkish German taught me. Thank you for the cultural exchange.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by mihaic »

noduerme wrote: post #322
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

> I don't think the evidence definitively supports the conclusion that it's down to which group. I've lived besides Gypsy communities, and had during school Gypsy friends. Some were in the top of the class, and many were not. The big predictor for integration was not ethnicity but culture.

Some have a culture that indoctrinated them to exploit and explicitly not integrate with the general population. How would you integrate a culture that explicitly rejects integration without changing the culture itself?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by bavell »

foobarian wrote: post #397
deaddodo wrote: post #327

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There was as much (more, even) pressure on the Italians and Irish to do the same. But, to add to and enforce OP's point, their cultures were a larger schism away and they instead held on and entrenched their identities (to their objective detriment, no matter your moral stance). Meanwhile, Anglo, Franco, German, Dutch, etc cultures all kind of melded into the early "White American" identity; due to the general ease o…

How much difference is there, really, between various European nationalities? They are all white and Christian, using similar language and script, mostly the difference is in the Christian denomination.

I guess you could ask the same question of the middle eastern countries. Pretty reductive perspective, no?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kgwgk »

dantondwa wrote: post #152
brigadier132 wrote: post #62

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Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Sorry, but I don’t think families who escaped in those times were exactly just innocent property owners.

I guess that the million people who have escaped in the last couple of years are also guilty of something.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by Aunche »

mfru wrote: post #760
mattmaroon wrote: post #730

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Doesn’t brain drain imply the smarter people are moving? I’m not sure that’s what’s happening here. I think it’s anyone who can get out. When I was in Havana our AirBnB was next to the Spanish embassy. There was a long line every morning of potential emigres waiting for their turn. (I have no idea how the process works when they get to the front of the line, I just was told they were trying to get out of the country…

> After spending a couple weeks in Cuba it’s not hard to see why. Which is the consequence of being sanctioned into oblivion for decades by the global hegemon, much to the dislike of the entire rest of the world.

The US has been the the only major country sanctioning Cuba for a decade and a half, but the economy has only gotten worse. Sanctions may explain why they has lagged behind in tech. It doesn't explain why Cuba needs to import 70-80% of their food despite being a fertile tropical paradise.

https://www.wfpusa.org/countries/cuba/#:~:text=Cuba%20import....

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

BurningFrog wrote: post #179
wslh wrote: post #166

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The article exactly says "US embargo".

Sure, but a lot of people seem to think Cuba is cut off from world trade. They're only cut off from one country. Someone called it a "blockade" on this page.

My friend's father can't travel to the US anymore (including transfer flights through) because he is higher up in a nickel mining company that does a lot of business in Cuba. Bank accounts, trading accounts, wire transfers, etc.. nothing can go through the US. Ships that dock in Cuban ports can't then go on to dock in US ports. etc. etc. etc

It's a kind of blockade

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by kgwgk »

rqtwteye wrote: post #372
labrador wrote: post #98

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I'm surprised at this take. It seems readily apparent that Cuban exiles want their countrymen and women to be free from state communist control and have the ability to speak their mind, practice economic freedom and their religion, which is I understand is very Catholic from Spanish influences. I don't know how you can say Cuban exiles want the people they left behind to suffer.

I am saying that because the sanctions haven't achieved anything positive for the last decades. At some point people just have to admit that they don't work but cause a lot of suffering. I bet if the US traded with Cuba, the communist regime would quickly fall apart like the Eastern block did.

That's right. US trade with China has exploded in the last couple of decades and China's communist regime is falling apart quickly.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

Aloisius wrote: post #373
pimpampum wrote: post #206

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When is the last time the US sanctioned a foreign company for trading with Cuba? Has it ever happened?

It happens all the time.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/canada-furious-with-u-s-...

https://www.thecasecentre.org/products/view?id=70853

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