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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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If you ever wondered what it was like to live during the beginning of the Cultural Revolution, well, we are living in the Western version of that right now. You don't speak out during the revolution for fear of being ostracized, fired, and forced into a struggle session where your character and reputation is publicly destroyed to send a clear message to everyone else. Shut Up Or Else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go…

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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Ask James Damore what happens when you ask too many questions of the wrong ideology...

I've truly never worked a job in my life where I would not be fired for sending a message to all my coworkers about how a particular group of employees are less likely to be as proficient at their work as I am due to some immutable biological trait(s) they possess, whether it be construction/pipefitting or software engineering. It's bad for business, productivity, and incredibly socially maladaptive behavior, let alo…

> how a particular group of employees are less likely to be as proficient at their work as I am due to some immutable biological trait(s) they possess

Is that what Damore actually said? That's not my recollection. I think his main point was that due to differences in biology, that women had more extraversion, openness, and neuroticism (big 5 traits) and that women were less likely to want to get into computer stuff. That's a very far cry from him saying something like "women suck at computers" and seems very dishonest to suggest.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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seems like as if Gemini was trained excessively on Google PR and marketing material. Case in point: https://store.google.com/

Eek @ that page. This is the "latinx" situation all over again. "Damos as boas vindas" ("(we) bid you welcome"), while syntactically correct, sounds weird to portuguese speakers. The language has masculine and feminine words (often with -o and -a endings). For example, you say "bem vindo" to a male (be it an adult or a kid), "bem vinda" to a female (likewise). When you address a collective, the male version is genera…

Interesting, in Italian it's a bit formal but perfectly acceptable ("vi diamo il benvenuto..."). It's something you might hear at the beginning of a theatre play, or perhaps in the audio guide of a museum.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Personally speaking, this is a blaring neon warning sign of institutional rot within Google where shrieking concerns about DEI have surpassed a focus on quality results. Investors in Google (of which I am NOT one) should consider if this is the mark of a company on the upswing or downslide. If the focus of Google's technology is identity rather than reality, it is inevitable that they will be surpassed.

It's very strange that this would leak into a product limitation to me. I played with Gemini for maybe 10 minutes and I could tell there was clearly some very strange ideas about DEI forced into the tool. It seemed there was a clear "hard coded" ratio of various racial / background required as far as the output it showed me. Or maybe more accurately it had to include specific backgrounds based on how people looked, a…

It has been known for a few years now that Google Image Search has been just as inaccurately biased with clear hard-coded intervention (unless it's using a similarly flawed AI model?) to the point where it is flat out censorship.

For example, go search for "white American family" right now. Out of 25 images, only 3 properly match my search. The rest are either photos of diverse families, or families entirely with POC. Narrowing my search query to "white skinned American family" produces equally incorrect results.

What is inherently disturbing about this is that there are so many non-racist reasons someone may need to search for something like that. Equally disturbing is that somehow, non-diverse results with POC are somehow deemed "okay" or "appropriate" enough to not be subject to the same censorship. So much for equality.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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is it even true that most software engineers are white and male? We're discarding indian and chinese engineers?

You don't even have to guess, BLS exposes this data to the public, search for "software developer": https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

Interesting, it says 36% of software developers are Asian but only 9% of web developers.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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is it even true that most software engineers are white and male? We're discarding indian and chinese engineers?

You don't even have to guess, BLS exposes this data to the public, search for "software developer": https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

That table gives “or” statistics. You can get the percent males (80%) and the percent whites (55%) but you can’t get the percentage of white males.

In fact given that 45% are not white, if only 6% of software developers are white women that would put white men in the minority.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Personally speaking, this is a blaring neon warning sign of institutional rot within Google where shrieking concerns about DEI have surpassed a focus on quality results. Investors in Google (of which I am NOT one) should consider if this is the mark of a company on the upswing or downslide. If the focus of Google's technology is identity rather than reality, it is inevitable that they will be surpassed.

It's very strange that this would leak into a product limitation to me. I played with Gemini for maybe 10 minutes and I could tell there was clearly some very strange ideas about DEI forced into the tool. It seemed there was a clear "hard coded" ratio of various racial / background required as far as the output it showed me. Or maybe more accurately it had to include specific backgrounds based on how people looked, a…

In addition to my comment about Google Image Search, regular Web Search results are equally biased and censored. There was once a race-related topic trending on X/Twitter that I wanted to read more about to figure out why it was trending. It was a trend started and continuing to be discussed by Black Twitter, so it's not like some Neo-Nazis managed to start trending something terrible.

Upon searching Google with the Hashtag and topic, the only results returned not only had no relevancy to the topic, but it returned results discussing racial bias and the importance of diversity. All I wanted to do was learn what people on Twitter were discussing, but I couldn't search anything being discussed.

This is censorship.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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If you ever wondered what it was like to live during the beginning of the Cultural Revolution, well, we are living in the Western version of that right now. You don't speak out during the revolution for fear of being ostracized, fired, and forced into a struggle session where your character and reputation is publicly destroyed to send a clear message to everyone else. Shut Up Or Else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go…

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Like the ones that would have prevented Google's racist, sexist, ahistorical, anti-West misadventure that this thread is all about?

The strawman meme you cite is designed to keep people afraid and quiet, that's all.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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I'm sure people with this take will be totally happy at the "historically accurate" pictures of Jesus then (he would not have been white and blue eyed)

I don't think most people care about Jesus's ethnicity, but it seems quite likely that without adjustment he would be rendered as quite white since a lot of imagery and art depict him as such. Or maybe the model would be smart enough to understand if the prompt was for a more historically accurate image or something like the archetype of Jesus.

People in this forum seem to care quite deeply about the ethnicity of AI-generated fictitious randos. So when it comes to actual Jesus, I think you might be mistaken on how much people care.
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