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'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

monocasa wrote: post #672
nahumfarchi wrote: post #653

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's quite a bit of selective reading there. Where you see "'67 borders", I see "Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea". River = the Jordan River Sea = the Mediterranean sea => calling for the destruction of Israel. But sure, we'll take '67 as an intermediate step.

> Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus. I don't know how to read that except the willingness to compromise on 1967 borders, as long as those ejected in 1948 can r…

So in other words, a willingness to "compromise" while actually taking a complete victory: https://vimeo.com/36854424

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

ido wrote: post #237

Plenty of Palestinians oppose Hamas and want peace and a free Palestinian state according to the '67 borders. These would be the equivalents on the other side.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38618262. (There was nothing wrong with your comment; I'm just trying to prune the top-heavy subthread.)

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

rayiner wrote: post #793
dang wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post in the battle style in this thread, as I explained at the top of the thread. It's particularly important with this painful and volatile topic. You shouldn't be doing that generally on HN, either, and unfortunately your comments (as I've been attempting to communicate to you) have swung too far in the flamewar direction in recent months (or maybe the last year or two, I'm not sure). You've been a goo…

Was it the snark in the first sentence?

Yes, that plus the overgeneralization in "The Arabs believe" and the overtones of religious flamewar in "affront to Islam".

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

davesque wrote: post #410

It's really disappointing to see so many exceptions to the no politics rule right when we need that rule the most. There really isn't anything to be gained by discussing stories like this. We all know that atrocities are taking place. It's a war zone. A̶l̶s̶o̶,̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶ ̶g̶l̶a̶r̶i̶n̶g̶l̶y̶ ̶ ̶b̶a̶d̶ ̶l̶o̶o̶k̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶t̶i̶c̶l̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶e̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶o̶w̶e̶d̶ ̶…

As vore's reply points out, HN does not have a no politics rule. If you want to know how we think about this, there are lots of past explanations at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so.... If you look at some of those and still have a question that isn't answered there, I'd be happy to take a look.

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17014869 for the history of "HN is getting too political" perceptions.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

CanWeTalkPlease wrote: post #819
dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

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There's no such thing as a neutral site. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38620928 and my other comments in this thread for more explanation.

I can always be contacted at hn@ycombinator.com. I don't know if that counts as private DM or not!

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

neonsunset wrote: post #740

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Please don't post like this here. It's against the site guidelines, especially on a topic this fraught.

"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by fathyb »

CanWeTalkPlease wrote: post #819
dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

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> To end this, I usually come to HN to escape from the horrors and constant negativity of traditional news.

I completely share your sentiment, but I don't believe HN ever offered that. I wasn't here for long but I often see posts about current events or uncomfortable subjects (cancer is one of mine for example), although they still represent a small minority.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

dfxm12 wrote: post #773
dang wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not sure if you're being honest or poisoning the well " Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

What was the strongest possible interpretation of the comment, which aired a desire to shut down discussion before it happened? FWIW, my response applies to every interpretation. Thanks for not flagging the entire thread, at the very least.

Your comment broke the Assume good faith part. If you begin a comment with "Not sure if you're honest or poisoning the well", you're already on the wrong side of HN's guidelines. If you do that on so inflammatory a topic as this one, that's definitely flamebait.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by babyshake »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #455
edanm wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the rockets being fired into Israel is one threat, but the far greater threat is just Hamas repeating the October 7th invasion again. They've said, numerous times, that they will do it - invade Israel again and again, killing as many Israelis as they can. (Leaders have also said they will kill Jews anywhere in the world, btw.) If Israel doesn't take out Hamas, it is entirely unclear if it will be able to prev…

> Leaders have also said they will kill Jews anywhere in the world, btw I'm curious, is your claim that one of the current leaders of Hamas said this? If so I'd love to read the quote. > If Israel doesn't take out Hamas, it is entirely unclear if it will be able to prevent them from carrying out more attacks in the future. One counterargument is that taking out Hamas, if they succeed (I'm not bullish), is likely to j…

Not saying I disagree, but where does the 20,000 overwhelmingly civilian number come from? One of the things that seems really difficult about Hamas is from my understanding, they do not wear a uniform and shelter amongst non-combatantants.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dang »

password54321 wrote: post #401
mupuff1234 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically that seems quite improbable as Jews are only 0.2% of the worlds population vs the Arab and Muslim world (which majority supports Palestinians) Edit: not to mention the CCP and Russia taking an anti Israel stance as well, both known to conduct massive online campaigns to align with their own agendas.

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Please don't.
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