Update: Sam and Greg, and left OpenAI staffers now join in Microsoft https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
This was unexpected.
Idk it’s been one of the top speculations since the beginning of this drama.
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#822Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm also pretty suspicious of people in forums like these who say nothing can compare to GPT4 and they're miles ahead of everyone else etc. How much of that is venture capital speaking? It's not quite where it is (or was) with Tesla, where it was hopeless to know what was sincere and what was just people talking up their investment/talking down their short, but it's getting there.
I mean, try and compare for yourself. It is quite obviously miles ahead of everything else. I want OpenAI to be absolutely crushed in the free market after this move. But it will take years for anyone to catch up with GPT-4, if even Anthropic is nowhere close.
Why do you want them to be crushed? They decided that Sam didn't represent the charter and acted accordingly. Do I think it was a boneheaded move? Sure. But maybe it was the right move for them even in spite of the optics?
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#823@karpathy on Twitter: I just don’t have anything too remarkable to add right now. I like and respect Sam and I think so does the majority of OpenAI. The board had a chance to explain their drastic actions and they did not take it, so there is nothing to go on except exactly what it looks like. https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1726289070345855126
I for one thought Karpathy would side with the core researchers and not the corpos. To me, this whole ordeal is a clash between profit motives of Sam vs Non Profit and Safety motives of OpenAI's original charter. I mean didn't HN hate when OpenAI changed their open nature and become completely closed and profit oriented? This could be the healing of the cancer that OpenAI brought to this field to make it closed as a…
> This could be the healing of the cancer that OpenAI brought to this field to make it closed as a whole.
I don’t know. The damage might be permanent. Everyone is probably going to be way more careful with what information they release and how they release it. Altman corrupted the entire community with his aggressive corporate push. The happy-go-lucky “look what we created” attitude of the community might be probably gone for good. Now every suit is going to be asking “can we make massive amount of money with this” or “can I spin up a hype train with this”.
Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down
#824Update: Sam and Greg, and left OpenAI staffers now join in Microsoft https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
I bet "new advanced AI research team" at Microsoft is going to be underwhelming for many, but really, it should be eye-opening. This is what startups, especially VC-backed capital-intensive AI startups, usually are.
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#825I’m genuinely surprised that they stuck to their guns. The PR push behind Altman’s return was convincing enough that I had my doubts. Altman will be more than fine, he’ll get a bucket of money and the chance to prove he is the golden boy he’s been sold to the world. He will get to recruit a team that believes in his vision of accelerating AI for commercial use. This will lead to a more diverse market. I hope for the…
I think that the pro-capitalist faction forgot that the opposing side are people capable of planing the development of an artificial consciousness.
Should they decide to sink to the level of VC scheming briefly, it will be like child's play for them.
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#826Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down
#827Update: Sam and Greg, and left OpenAI staffers now join in Microsoft https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
Seems like a logical choice. Microsoft’s next big play is generative AI, and they’ve put a lot of money into that.
They need to show they’re taking steps to stabilize things now that their hype factory has come unraveled.
I don’t think they particularly need these people , because they likely already have in house talent that is competitive. But having these people on board now will allow them to paint a much more stable picture to their shareholders.
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#828I still cannot process what’s happened to one of the most prominent and hyped companies of the past year in just one weekend. If it’s true that Altman won’t return to OpenAI (or alternatively: that the current board won’t step down) then where does that leave OpenAI? Microsoft can’t be happy, as evidenced by reporting that Nadella was acting as mediator to bring him back. Does OpenAI survive this? Will be super inter…
Don't fully believe this, but the only rational explanation I can see is that Ilya knows they have AGI. - Nuke employee morale: massive attrition, not getting upside (tender offer), - Nuke the talent magnet: who's going to want to work there now? - Nuke Microsoft relationship: all those GPUs gone, - Nuke future fundraising: who's going to fund this shit show? Just doesn't make sense.
People really need to stop with this AGI bullshit. They make a glorified Markov chain and suddenly they should have AGI? Self-driving cars are barely able to stay on the road after all this time, but sure, someone's hiding conscious machines in their basement.
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#829Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building. This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen. edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.
Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk. He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.
Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.
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#830Earlier quoted context omitted.
So it's a big deal because he has a cult of personality?
It’s a big deal because he’s extremely charismatic and well connected and that matters much, much more for a tech company’s success than some programmers like to think.
I understand why this would be uniquely valuable for a startup, but why is this be uniquely valuable for MSFT? Are they planning on raising a series B next year?