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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by lm28469 »

pixl97 wrote: post #227
hparadiz wrote: post #93

I asked GPT4 to write me a simple document. Took like 9 tries and I had to proof read it and make adjustments. And that's with a simple paragraph in a written language. Forget about doing the header and the footer properly. It's silly that I have to spell it out on HN of all places. Writing code is much more complex. There's a reason we call the job "Software Engineer". GPT doesn't know what it doesn't know. It doesn…

When we built the first airplane it could barely carry a single person and didn't go far... We are just barely touching digital general intelligence, and we're not even using API enabled versions that use tooling. And that's what we have today. Tell me, what is AI going to do tomorrow? >If you're worried about GPT taking over your job you just show your own lack of knowledge and experience. Oh, I'm glad you popped ou…

> When we built the first airplane it could barely carry a single person and didn't go far

Yet here we are still flying in more or less the same.hsit we flew in 70 years ago (Boeing 707)

No space plane, no faster than sound travel, &c.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Viliam1234 »

proamdev123 wrote: post #141
netbioserror wrote: post #86

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

I agree completely. Additionally, people who hold this belief fail to realize that “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.” For example, how are you going to eat? You are either going to grow, cultivate, and harvest your own food (i.e. work) or you’re expecting others to do that work for you. Oh, you say it can be “automated”? Well, who’s going to design, build, and maintain…

> “I don’t want to work.” ACTUALLY means “I want others to work so I don’t have to.”

Or maybe it means: "if, thanks to automation, we become 2x as productive, I would like to work half the time, while still being able to pay my bills."

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by hiq »

cryptoegorophy wrote: post #194
eropple wrote: post #10

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Why? No really: why? Businesses are profit-seeking entities. Why not just fire nine people? You save money . (Yes, this could be a really stupid decision for the company in question. I agree with you. I'm not saying what should happen. I'm saying what will happen, and that that is really bad.)

There is cutting costs and scaling. You need 9 other people for scaling. Imaging if you with GPT4 can replace 10 people with 1. What if you keep other 9 and train them to prompt on GPT? Now you have not 10 people working but 100 and a cost of 10.

I guess the follow-up question is: if you do value these 100 units of work (1 employee == 1 unit pre-GPT), why did you only have 10 workers at the beginning? Doesn't it mean that 10 units of work is what you thought was optimal? What are you going to do with 100?

Or maybe you're implying that reducing the costs changes this equation?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by heartbreak »

oh_sigh wrote: post #588
heartbreak wrote: post #231

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I know many people in my circles who would find literal religious meaning in the work of painting your fence.

Why does it cost money to get your fence painted then?

Because food and housing still costs money?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pharmakom »

winstonprivacy wrote: post #529
surgical_fire wrote: post #156

Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

Same here. It's like a well rounded but very junior level coding assistant that produces a probably flawed bit decent first pass in seconds instead of a week. As a very senior programmer, it's the first technology in a long time that has doubled, or maybe even tripled, my productivity. The demand for my skills is only going to accelerate because of how godly this had made me.

Ive been using LLMs like copilot etc and I find them useful, but less useful than:

- stack overflow

- compile time type checking

- functional programming

None of those made vast numbers of devs redundant... quite the opposite in fact.

interesting times...

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by ruddyrabbit »

smikhanov wrote: post #771
cambaceres wrote: post #749

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I don’t know what country you live in, but I can tell you how it is in Sweden. As a freelancer I pay appropriately 70% of what I charge in taxes. How high do you think taxes can get before people stop putting energy into raising their productivity?

Nobody can be fully certain of this, but I suspect all the way up to 100%

Agreed. After all, that is the equivalent rate for all work done in the commons, on free software for example. Zero dollars earned, but somehow the incentive is still there. Money is not the only thing that motivates human beings.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by carapace »

namarie wrote: post #701
carapace wrote: post #581

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I think you start with a kind of non-profit member-owned "general automation corp." that supplies a level of basic QoL: clean water, food, shelter, clothing, energy, internet, medical, etc. per-member, at a set rate, say US$300 per month. That is, you pay in $300/mo. and that covers your rent, food, utilities, health insurance, etc. Over time the rate you pay falls to zero and remains there for the rest of your life.…

Why do it through a corporation rather than through government?

You don't have to convince people to vote for it, you can just get started right away with who ever is interested.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pharmakom »

surgical_fire wrote: post #792
phkahler wrote: post #448

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Since you are actually using it to write code I have a question. Would it be fair to characterize its programming ability as "writing imperative code" or say creating macros and glue code? Or can it do higher level stuff like choosing data structures and algorithms?

Good question. It's important to understand that it doesn't know anything. It gives approximate answers based on statistical relevance. For example, it has been noticed that ChatGPT can answer leetcode interview questions. That doesn't surprise me in the least, chances are that it contained the algorithm associated to slight variations of the question in its training data. To generate boilerplate code it has been pre…

Yeah... it's closer to text autocomplete than a human SWE

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by vinte »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #646
qaq wrote: post #629

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Well maybe shift to "real world" professions will occur resulting in us addressing abysmal infrastructure and housing situation. I am looking at picking up a trade because of this coming shift.

I don't think people appreciate the mass disruption of a shift like this happening across so many industries all at the same time. This sort of professional shift works when automation comes for a subset of a single sector, but we're looking at an everywhere all at once situation. How many plumbers are we going to need, exactly? I also don't think people appreciate the absolute social turmoil that will occur as a res…

I think we still do not know exactly how it will shape our sociaty, but one thing is for sure, the products businesses will make with the help of AI, people have to buy them in the end. If they have no money how will people using AI benefit.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by pclmulqdq »

__pache__ wrote: post #789
vages wrote: post #777

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The Nordic countries are actually the easiest place in the world to earn at least 30 million dollars (or become billionaire for that case) exactly because of the welfare system: https://youtu.be/A9UmdY0E8hU When you don’t have to struggle for a living, you’re more free to take risks and start your own business. Workers accept disruptive innovation and being let go, knowing that the state will help them reskill if nec…

Nah I think something else is at play, as to why so many millionaires are in Switzerland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_... USA demolishing most everyone else, as you'd expect if you own what you create. Almost 10% of 400 million people are millionaires in the USA! Insanely productive all things considered. Also kind of shockingly the USA has the most progressive tax system, I believe --…

People in the USA who want to have a European-style welfare state don't realize that American high-earners already pay European levels of tax. The American lower and middle classes pay a lot less of their incomes - that would be the group that would have to pay for an American welfare state. That won't go over well...
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