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Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by panarky »

jacquesm wrote: post #511
pg wrote: post #498

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Thanks, but as I learned when I was running HN, being a regular user of a forum (which the moderator necessarily is) and writing essays are fundamentally incompatible. If you're known to be a regular user of a forum, then when someone says something about you and you don't reply, it reads as a tacit admission that they're correct. And when you write essays people say all kinds of things about you. The combination is…

Rule #1 of any forum is don't moderate the forum that you are active on. Musk is finding out the hard way why this is the case. Happy to see your post here though! Edit: and while we have you here briefly, Happy Holidays!

pg will almost certainly be reinstated because he's a high-profile supporter.

But just because the new owner makes exceptions to his ridiculous anti-free-speech policy for high-profile supporters doesn't make it better.

In fact, selective enforcement of batshit policies makes it all much worse.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by occamsrazorwit »

sandofsky wrote: post #704
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Two years ago you published an essay that seemed to argue that criticism against Elon Musk was simply from “Haters,” jealous of his success. http://paulgraham.com/fh.html In light of recent events, have you considered updating the essay?

After seeing PG claim that the criticism of Musk was rooted in politics yesterday, I think it's clear that he's become a Musk fanboy. Ironically, this very article is pretty useful in prescribing how to react towards PG himself.

Edit: Maybe the suspension will break PG's fanboy-ism, and he'll emerge humbler and wiser.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by ssnistfajen »

systemvoltage wrote: post #796
ssnistfajen wrote: post #731

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Elon is literally trying to deny the severance packages he promised to give. How is this amazing? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/12/musk-brings-spac...

If this is true that that's inexclusable and shitty. Still legal(?), but not ethical. Looks like the they're being challenged in the court. Whether firing was done ethically or not, I still think that Twitter was bloated af and needed trimming. The macroeconomic conditions led to a huge hiring spree for last 8 years of 0% interest rates. We fucked around in the silicon valley and we are about to find out. Overall, on…

That's just, like, your opinion. What matters here is employees were fired on extremely arbitrary grounds, then had their labour rights infringed upon.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by mcv »

bambax wrote: post #605
keepper wrote: post #572

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So your initial comments have aged poorly… From your own feed: “ People are rooting for him to fail because he's a rich white guy and a political moderate. “ https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1593206076983635968?s=46&t=... I really really really dislike this whole trend to feel “victimized” while being some of the most successful people in earth. People are “turning” on Elon after being hugely beloved, purely cause he…

"a political moderate"?? PG said this a month ago? (Nov. 17th) Wow. That tells us much more about PG's politics than I would ever have wanted to know. Also, "rich white guy" adds a nice vibe of "all lives matter". It's a truth universally acknowledged that white people are victims. Esp. if they're male. And rich.

There are plenty of rich white guys I'm not actively rooting to fail. In fact, until quite recently, I really believed Musk was doing good, was as smart as he presented himself, and was a decent human being. Quirky maybe, but I love quirky.

He has since exposed himself as a massive asshole and idiot.

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by phpisthebest »

raspberry1337 wrote: post #643
secos wrote: post #453

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> Plus I don't think he realizes that the techniques that work for cars and rockets don't work in social media. This argument made sense a month ago. Unfortunately he really hasn't shown any improvement since then that would lead me to agree with you on that point. It's now a situation where he has to either find enough new people who agree with whatever his approach is or /win people back/ - both of those are quite…

Twitter has less bots yets more activity than ever. In what dimension do these Hacker news posters live?

Silicon Valley CA where the only politics is left, and even more left.

Twitter post Elon is Awesome,

They are crying foul now that rules are actually being evenly enforced instead of just on the right. The activists that claim to be journalists having to follow actual rules for once in their life

What is the saying... To the privileged equality looks like oppression, well that is what the Activists that work for mainstream media are feeling today on twitter

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by lossolo »

insanitybit wrote: post #176
wpietri wrote: post #75

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For sure. Given that Musk was fired from [deleted, see note 1] and PayPal, you'd think they might have had more questions. But people look at failure much more carefully than they look at success. I think the next wave of interesting questions is around the extent to which Musk contributed the apparent successes, SpaceX and Tesla. We won't know for a long time, as a lot of the people in the know have a strong incenti…

Musk is a celebrity. Celebrities start successful companies all the time. Is Rihanna a brilliant business woman for starting a successful beauty line? Is she a business genius , which is what Musk gets labeled so often? Maybe she really is, but I don't see her get that label, I think her value add is very clearly "she is famous, people will buy shit that she puts her name on". What they have in common is that they ha…

> I think her value add is very clearly "she is famous, people will buy shit that she puts her name on".

Musk example[1] of this, he sold 1 million USD worth of perfume with smell of burnt hair in a few hours.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/oddly-enough/elon-musk-sel...

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by ccn0p »

LegitShady wrote: post #800
ssnistfajen wrote: post #778

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Elon is so incredibly thin-skinned that he's burning bridges with anyone who dares to not agree with him even once. First Bari Weiss, now Paul Graham. Paul clearly stated here & on Mastodon that he still believes in Elon Musk. This is classic self-sabotage of a deranged dictator.

What do you think the odds are that elon did it or even knew about it?

wondering the same thing....

Re: Paul Graham is leaving Twitter for now

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Post by dredmorbius »

noelsusman wrote: post #563
pg wrote: post #350

I'm not leaving Twitter. It seems more likely than not that Elon will reverse the ban on links to other social media sites. I just don't want to hang out there in the meantime. Plus given the way things are going, it seemed like a good time to learn about alternatives. I still think Elon is a smart guy. His work on cars and rockets speaks for itself. Nor do I think he's the villain a lot of people try to make him out…

Calling somebody like Elon eccentric is political correctness for rich, powerful people. It's a polite way of calling him a crazy asshole.

eccentric (adj) 1. Socially maladjusted + wealth.

https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/107453472642613292>

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