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Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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I agree. I think he understands that, as indicated by https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1585619322239561728 That doesn't sound like someone burning Twitter to the ground. Also, many are acting like Musk has free rein in running the company. Yes and no. Beyond needing employees to actually run the thing, he also has loans to pay back ($13B!) and investors to maintain good relationships with. More on that here: https…

I'm very skeptical of the idea that Twitter can become a place where people discuss things with civility. It seems like the mechanics of the conversation encourage outrage.

The main issue with human conversation is the humans

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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I‘ve been an Elon fanboy since pre-Falcon 1 times and all the time I could simply follow his first principles to the core, be it the switch to electric cars, flight control using a quorum cluster of non-space-rated processors or the viability of methane and stainless steel for Starship against all previous failures. With Twitter, I‘ve lost that feeling and I don‘t know how it would be possible: Free speech, happy adv…

> satisfied governments globally This is the easy part if he really wants to choose the free speech absolutist route. Close the European offices (which will probably happen anyways due to mass firings), bank accounts and move it all to America or other friendly jurisdiction if needed for tax purposes. They can sue all they want in Europe but American courts won't enforce a judgement that isn't compatible with America…

The world is a much larger and diverse place than just America and Europe

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

#823
post #11

I think the thing to watch will be ads and other revenue streams. Most companies aren't going to want their ads next to 'free for all' content, so we'll see what happens.

The 'brand safety' super omnia argument isn't nearly as straightforward as it's made out to be. Twitter already has an enormous amount of content that is perfectly within the terms of service, yet that you wouldn't think most companies would want their ads next to. Hardcore pornography, for example. It more or less works out, because Twitter ads aren't associated with particular tweets in the same way that YouTube ad…

> yet that you wouldn't think most companies would want their ads next to

That's fine, I won't see any of their ads anyways and neither should any of you.

Now, can we please get over this era of _advertising companies_ deciding what is acceptable in the digital town square?

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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What if he just loses a big pile of money while Twitter twists in the wind because there isn't much of a plan? That seems likely enough really.

If that's the case, it won't be so different from when Twitter was run as a public co.

Except the previous owners, hated by the right, got their money.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

#826

I‘ve been an Elon fanboy since pre-Falcon 1 times and all the time I could simply follow his first principles to the core, be it the switch to electric cars, flight control using a quorum cluster of non-space-rated processors or the viability of methane and stainless steel for Starship against all previous failures. With Twitter, I‘ve lost that feeling and I don‘t know how it would be possible: Free speech, happy adv…

>happy advertisers

Why would we want this? I don't see this kind of pro-advertiser slant anywhere else but here. Is it because of the google/facebook employee presence here?

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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post #810

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> satisfied governments globally This is the easy part if he really wants to choose the free speech absolutist route. Close the European offices (which will probably happen anyways due to mass firings), bank accounts and move it all to America or other friendly jurisdiction if needed for tax purposes. They can sue all they want in Europe but American courts won't enforce a judgement that isn't compatible with America…

The world is a much larger and diverse place than just America and Europe

Not in terms of CPMs.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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post #621

I think the only big take away is Musk said too much stuff and is now left holding a culturally relevant, but monetarily flailing company. My expectation is he will do whatever it takes to be successful; cut staff, add more ads and paid features, etc. I believe he will also do certain things under the verneer of "free speech", but will eventually do a 180 because it will hurt the bottom line of the company.

IMHO politically alienating half the country is not helping their bottom line.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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Twitter’s already headed down the uncool social media curve like Facebook before it. There will be an exodus, but it would have happened either way. Once the parents get on, it starts the decline. When the grandparents are there… The “political” polarization is part of it. The older folks bring it with them. The majority flock to sites for information and escapism. The back and forth is just exhausting. It’s clearer…

> The “political” polarization is part of it. The older folks bring it with them.

So, discriminatory, ageist, prejudicial comments are allowed on HN now? Or only if it's against "older folks", I see.

Re: Elon Musk owns Twitter: The story so far

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They need to re-free up the API. Early adopters and hackers really did some great work using the API until they walled-gardened it and rate limited it to make it unusable. They need to do this for goodwill at the very least, but I think it will spark the fire to make it popular with techies again. Based on the recently published discovery chats we will probably see: * High def video * Focus on music publication * The…

I think it's going to be more in the other direction. He really hates the bots, so he'll probably close up the API. Until bots gets solved, no developer should expect the API to open up.

Does he really hate bots, or was it just something he came up with to try to get out of buying it?
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