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The pushback is simple: Twitter stock price was higher than Musk’s offer for most of 2021. We are in a downturn affecting the entire tech industry, and it’s likely that prices will return to previous levels at some point. Elon’s offer is a lowball and Twitter can bring more value to shareholders with or without Elon.
It seems a little funny to me that people flock to the idea that Twitter's market cap in a fed-fueled stock market when literally everything was moving up is some kind of true valuation for Tiwtter. If anything Twitter is likely trading at or very close to its fair value now then it was last year when retail was throwing money into anything.
Twitter board adopts poison pill after Musk’s $43B bid to buy company
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Do you think big ETFs just buy shares willy nilly without any due diligence on company charters and bylaws?
I’m curious what happens in that case, then - let’s say hypothetically that SPY has enough cash come into the fund that they’ll cross that threshold if they follow their stated investment policy (“buy the S&P”) - what’s the move, then?
Such an agreement would be reached incredibly quickly, there would be no need for stopgap measures.
From the article:
> Under the new structure, if any person or group acquires beneficial ownership of at least 15% of Twitter’s outstanding common stock without the board’s approval
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Why would Twitter profits matter to shareholders after they divest?
The parent believes, based on Elon's own claims, that part of his plan of raising the money is to get some existing shareholders on board, essentially having them finance the deal, obviously by promising them a stake in the future private company. They are also assuming an existing shareholder would only do this if they believe the future private Twitter would be a more profitable endeavor for them, which Musk's comm…
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A large part of the problem for twitter Google and Facebook is their ever shifting goals for content moderation to appease their politically activist employees and media critics. Something tells me Elon would have different goals that should be less of a moving target and easier to accomplish. Less subjective target like "hate speech" and more objective target like true threats of violence, illegal activity, actual b…
No. Not relevant to the discussion. Gmail has no content moderation, but spam still gets through occasionally.
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What value does a platform have when people are fed up with those who complain about "I want free speech" and leave for greener pastures? Just look at Facebook. It's widely seen as "boomer garbage" that's only used as a least-common-denominator resort for communication by the target group these days, and conspiracy crap groups and peddlers of propaganda are a huge part of the reason. Platforms and societies that fail…
Would you be ok if Trump was setting mod team policy? Like is this a we need a speech dictator even people I disagree with is better than chaos point of view? Or is this a my point of view should be enforced on everyone and platforms should not be allowed to publish things I disagree with point of view?
If Trump was on the mod team of a platform, I simply wouldn't use that platform.
No one needs to use Twitter. Most people's life wouldn't change the slightest bit if Twitter disappeared tomorrow. There's no serious argument that the platform has a monopoly on anything.
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#826Some points from the All in Pod. 1. The Twitter board of directors has become a status thing. It's like a country club. They don't have real skin in the game; they don't own much stock. They're not aligned with the shareholders. It's about status and cultural power. 2. Why should we believe that the company will become more valuable when the stock price is where it was way back in December 2013? Compare to how the S&…
> The elites have somehow inverted history so they now believe that it is not censorship that is the favored tool of fascists and authoritarians, even though every fascist and despot in history used censorship to maintain power, but instead believe free speech, free discourse, and free thought are the instruments of repression. At which point in history could any person blurt out a brainfart and have thousands of peo…
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Wrong. He could probably borrow $43bn against Tesla shares in a few weeks at the most. He doesn't have to sell any Tesla shares.
Tesla has a rule that you can only borrow 25% of the value against the shares. From Money Stuff: > Or Musk could borrow more against his Tesla stake. Tesla’s own policies prohibit Musk from borrowing more than 25% of the value of his shares, which is barely enough to buy Twitter, even ignoring the fact that he has already used at least some of that capacity. Of course he’s in charge of Tesla and its board is famously…
I'm sure he could manage to finance this just fine.
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We're not talking about the hardest content problems on the internet. Look at any of Elon Musk's (or anyone in crypto's) popular tweets and you'll see a flood of incredibly obvious bots that poorly mimic his account, spamming some shit coin or advertising a BTC address. Also, you're really understating how good Tesla self-drive is. It's not full self-drive but it's a real achievement.
Yes, and Youtube and Facebook both have similar problems. There is survivalship bias at play here, you do see the bots that manage to get past the spam protection, but never see the ones that don't. For all you know, Twitter could be blocking 99% of the spam. Of course, as long as there's money in it (and there is), spammers will constantly be coming up with new and unexpected ways to bypass your systems. It's a neve…
If you spend 5 seconds on YouTube and Facebook and compare that to Twitter, you'll see a massive difference.
The spam bots on Twitter are incredibly unsophisticated. It's literally bots with the same profile picture and name as the person they're trying to spam.
On the other hand, YouTube spam bots are actually incredibly sophisticated. They're using GPT-3 or some language model to generate text and reply to each other. Like, sometimes I'll read a comment and not be sure if it was a spam bot or not.
Twitter is leagues behind w/ their spam filters.
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To think that a company that has failed to create self-driving for nearly a decade could solve "content moderation", one of the hardest problem on the internet that every single of the big companies (who btw hire the best talent) have been struggling with, is truly a shocking statement to me. If all Google and Facebook couldn't solve it, why could a Tesla engineer of all people...
The idea that an AI engineer for self driving could be trivially retasked to content moderation is fairly laughable as well. That's not to say there aren't overlapping skill sets, but the AI tech involved is quite distinct (although there is overlap, I believe some of the latest perception research is trying to adapt transformers from NLP to replace CNNs). Many of my colleagues are AI/ML engineers working on the self…
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#830Even before the poison pill was adopted, the evidence is the market wasn't taking Musk's offer seriously. That's because he was offering $54.20 per share (ha ha, 420), but the stock price never closed higher than $48.36. So almost $6/share was left on the table. Part of it is that Musk doesn't have $43B in cash, he'd have to raise it or borrow it. He's worth more than that but it isn't liquid; as an officer of Tesla…
A lot of the stuff he claims that actually works has teams of people supporting him. Those weren’t one man efforts like this.