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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by coolso »

VikingCoder wrote: post #818
coolso wrote: post #748

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Whatever Trump was doing to handle Putin certainly seemed to prevent Putin from doing any Ukrainian invading. I think Zelensky and the entire world would prefer more Trump phone calls and less Putin aggression right about now.

Yes, because Putin was too busy enjoying the other things President Trump let him do. Taken from someone else: Trump had the US military abandon their bases in Syria and Russia promptly captured them. Russia was caught paying bounties in Afghanistan for killing American soldiers. Trump did nothing. After Putin seized Crimea, Obama put sanctions on Russia. Trump promptly got rid of those sanctions for his buddy, then…

Sorry, what administration did Putin start a war with Ukraine under? Interesting that the one who was Putin’s supposed puppet, ended up being a better puppet master than the elder experienced statesman we supposedly have in office currently.

I repeat: I think Ukraine, and the world, could do well with some mean tweets and mean phone calls in place of what we have now!

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by headsoup »

pfisch wrote: post #796
moltke wrote: post #768

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This attitude will push normal people to 4chan. We shouldn't be surprised when Racism and Nationalism make a comeback.

So instead of doing that we should just make the whole internet 4chan? No it won't, not in meaningful numbers. Most people don't want that kind of garbage in their feeds. If they did 4chan would be more popular than Twitter. Most people don't want to have disgusting, antidemocratic viewpoints forced on them by social media. They want to not see that stuff.

No. What the hell is wrong with all this absolutism. As I mentioned elsewhere, these platforms should have moderation guidelines from the outset that they adhere to. Now they play political games instead.

If a platform is too large to be moderated effectively, there needs to be a discussion about what happens next, which indeed is either free-for-all, clear moderation policy or opaque random and easily biased decisions.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

VikingCoder wrote: post #818
coolso wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever Trump was doing to handle Putin certainly seemed to prevent Putin from doing any Ukrainian invading. I think Zelensky and the entire world would prefer more Trump phone calls and less Putin aggression right about now.

Yes, because Putin was too busy enjoying the other things President Trump let him do. Taken from someone else: Trump had the US military abandon their bases in Syria and Russia promptly captured them. Russia was caught paying bounties in Afghanistan for killing American soldiers. Trump did nothing. After Putin seized Crimea, Obama put sanctions on Russia. Trump promptly got rid of those sanctions for his buddy, then…

Latest update: Trump's National Security Advisor says that Putin was waiting for Trump's second term, as after being re-elected he was going to withdraw the US from NATO:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bolton-putin-waiting-for-tru...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by michaelmrose »

15155 wrote: post #737
michaelmrose wrote: post #492

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1. People without content share video on the internet and even sell it on plenty of sites. You might as easily not organically get it front of as many people who aren't explicitly looking for it but you can certainly share it and your content being unpopular doesn't imply that they have a monopoly. 2. Regarding the shopping mall they found the CA state constitution not the US constitution protected their right to pro…

> Regarding the shopping mall they found the CA state constitution Where is YouTube headquartered?

Alphabet is incorporated in Delaware and Californias law doesn't say what they said it said.

Good luck convincing a judge that YouTube can't ban people.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by xigoi »

yibg wrote: post #814
xigoi wrote: post #703

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I don't think you understand the analogy…

I don't think you read my original reply?

I have. Nobody is saying that YouTube should post negative reviews of itself. We're saying that a website which pretty much has a monopoly on hosting videos shouldn't abuse its position by trying to be the “ministry of truth”, and it's fair to criticize it even though it's legally allowed to do that.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by headsoup »

pfisch wrote: post #779
downandout wrote: post #772

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They couldn’t control January 6 either. Literally the only people charged with sedition - those who had a plan - were part of an extremist organization that coordinated in person.

Jan 6th would not have happened without social media spreading lies about the election for months. It is ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

Wouldn't it? What about the TV stations repeating it, or any other platform available? I didn't realise social media was so new!

The situation says more about the deep division and anxiety within society that made it possible than social media being a cause.

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Post by robjan »

jrobn wrote: post #739
bobsmooth wrote: post #441

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>What is your metric? Poverty and disease, for one.

Yes for some. But I still would say you are missing the forest for the trees.

Not really. There is inequality in the world but pretty much universally we have a better standard of living than 100 years ago. Suggested reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nat...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ComradePhil »

coffeefirst wrote: post #340
ComradePhil wrote: post #308

Alphabet/YouTube should seek for government regulations that requires them to not delete the videos that are not explicitly illegal. They keep removing videos to keep their advertisers or customers happy. If they are not allowed by the government to delete videos that are not illegal, they can just blame the government. Of course, they should not be forced to keep every video. It has to be profitable for them.

Or they could actually use their brains and check if an account in otherwise good standing suddenly gets flagged, why that happened. This would eliminate most the edge cases. The problem is trusting the algorithm to make decisions and then pretending you aren’t responsible for them.

Clearly you have not considered the scale they operate in.

What you are thinking would apply if they were handling 10s of hours of video everyday from dozens of individuals.

They have about 10 hours of video uploaded every second, throught the day, all week, every month, every year... and their platform has 2 billion users. What you are suggesting would not be possible even if they hired everyone eligible to work in the world.

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Post by Eupolemos »

coolso wrote: post #748
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #714

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We have proof that Trump tried to blackmail Zelensky into framing his political opponents by witholding aid they needed to defend themselves from Russia. When Putin started his invasion, Trump praised him for being smart, then praised him again, suggesting he'd captured a whole country for a small cost in sanctions. What do you think you're expressing when you say that Trump isn't a Putin puppet? That he's not made o…

Whatever Trump was doing to handle Putin certainly seemed to prevent Putin from doing any Ukrainian invading. I think Zelensky and the entire world would prefer more Trump phone calls and less Putin aggression right about now.

According to Bolton, he believed that Trump would withdraw the US from NATO in a second term and that is what Putin was waiting for.

https://news.yahoo.com/john-bolton-putin-waiting-possible-13...

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Post by tptacek »

googlerx wrote: post #380
bko wrote: post #356

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Heres an example: Bari Weiss was fired for commissioning an op-ed by a US Senator Tom Cotton calling for the national guard to be called in to break up riots. Note that she did not write the essay, but merely commissioned it. They sometimes have op-eds from varying voices. NY Times apologized and said "This review made clear that a rushed editorial process led to the publication of an Op-Ed that did not meet our stan…

"Since March 1, 2021, she has worked as a regular columnist for German daily newspaper Die Welt." (Wikipedia) Her career is alive and well.

She's a popular Substacker and left the NYT in a wave of journalists starting lucrative Substacks. I'm sure the NYT Slack was quite inhospitable to her (she's a troll, and they're snowflakey), but she wasn't forced out of the NYT; she was lured out. Either way: good riddance. Just because a bunch of irritating snowflakes got what they wanted doesn't, by itself, make an outcome bad.
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