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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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"Support for Eugenics in Canada In the early 20th century, eugenic policies were considered progressive among many Canadians, including some socialists, feminists, farmers and psychiatrists. Their assumption was that Canadian society could be improved by encouraging reproduction among certain groups — particularly Anglo-Saxon Protestants — and discouraging or limiting reproduction among other groups, including Easter…

Eugenics was part of a first utopian thought wave for an optimized, managed populace, which fell out of fashion due to the events of WW2. It is being woven back into the political conversation in the name of medical security.

I got upvoted a couple times, then downvoted a couple times, I guess there's a bit of an even split between smart people on whether or not you should be "punished" for talking about these kinds of realities. I think for the sake of marketing, the powers that be will want a new word, for what we're going to be doing as a society to the human genome. Something that means eugenics, but sounds different, somehow safer, and altogether moral, and encompasses traditional eugenics, but also extends to edits made to already living organisms through tools like CRISPR.

How about... Life-Safe Code. DNA is effectively code, code is editable for the betterment of people, riiiight? And it's Life-Safe - like if you wanted to oppose Life-Safe Code you're saying "I want code that isn't safe for life to promulgate", which should help diminish the effectiveness of any rhetoric towards enshrining inherent rights that protect people's read/write/execution permissions over their own genetic code. And if you want Free Lifeware, or whatever, well, do you have problems with seatbelts? Because clearly there is a major inconsistency to your worldview if you accept seatbelts but won't promote the deployment of Life-Safe Code to all humans by any means deemed necessary.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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> We’re not suspending the fundamental rights or overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, we are not limiting people’s freedom of speech, we are not limiting freedom of peaceful assembly (or) preventing people from exercising their right to protest legally Pretending to express concern about charter rights with respect to towing some trucks away is quite the theatre. Meanwhile, Canada spent the last two years s…

> Meanwhile, Canada spent the last two years stomping on charter rights: mobility (provincial borders closed, unjustified quarantine requirements even for vaccinated Canadians), free expression (court orders to silence anti-vaxxers), and free assembly (unvaccinated in Quebec are unable to attend weddings, funerals, religious services or pretty much anything with over 25 people) to name a few. Ironically, a lot of these are the things that actually caused the protests.

Apart from the quarantine requirements and possibly your point about free expression (though I'm not sure which incident that refers to and you provided no references), none of the rest of that list is under the purview of the federal government and is instead decided upon by the provinces.

In case you aren't familiar, Canadian provinces have near total control over most areas, with the federal government typically stepping in only in areas that were explicitly granted to it. The provinces, for instance, are responsible for all healthcare related decisions within their borders. The federal government licenses drugs and treatments as a centralized body for all provinces, though I believe here too the provinces can take some steps on their own. Provinces can equally ignore the charter rights of citizens for a set period of time by invoking a specific clause when passing legislation (it's been done several times recently). Provinces wholly own their mineral rights, including into the waters on their borders.

The point I am making with this explanation is that the issues the convoy began protesting (that truckers had to be vaccinated to cross the US/Canada border) made sense to protest federally. Once it was apparent the US had implemented the same rule (coming into effect before Canada, if I remember rightly), the protest became about other mandates. These other mandates are purely provincial jurisdiction and the federal government could only hope to convince the Premiers to do what they ask. The protest is misplaced in its entirety at this point, which is why there is no cohesive direction.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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So our government is so weak it can't do anything about peaceful protesters blocking roads, so it invokes this act that will no doubt simply be used to keep the restrictions going forever. Meanwhile inflation is running rampant but unlike the US, wages don't seem to be budging, our hospitals are clogged with homeless drug addicts but the population gets blamed, our GDP is literally held aloft by nominal housing price gains and the government wants to take away more freedoms while the rest of the world is opening up... Seems par for the course. No wonder most of the educated people I know left Canada already...

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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The number of comments on this that are just fine with wild authoritarian abuses like this "because vaccines are good" is astounding. People have such idealogical myopia and are shocked and appalled when the same measures are used against their interests.

I would argue that you’re misconstruing things. We Canadians had a fairly single issue election in the fall around vaccine mandates and the Liberal party won. The question is not “are mandates allowed” but “can a group be allowed to take cities hostage while trying to overthrow democratic rule.” The issuing of mandates was not even passed through fiat like an American executive order, this government is a minority go…

what you're describing is "tyranny of the majority" and not how democracy works.

the minority is retaliating because they feel their rights have been violated.

i'm not taking sides and i'm not asking you to, but you're kidding yourself if you think these truckers are a greater existential threat to you and your way of life than your government with its self appointed "emergency" powers.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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To people who think this act is justified, this act was used in World War I, World War II, and in 1970 when Quebec had a terrorist group doing bombings, kidnappings, and murder. It’s insane, absolutely insane, to think these are equivalent. This protest is about anti-vaccine mandates... with bouncy castles.

Part of me thinks this is political theatre to show how strong Canada is, with the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. They claimed they didn't have enough manpower and needed help from the provincial and federal governments. Why they were so poorly prepared when the convoy was broadcasting its intentions in advance is a great question, but it also doesn't help now. The Ottawa Police Service abandoned the people of the city for weeks and now can't resolve the problem on its own. So I g…

>The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. This is not correct. The Ottawa police have repeatedly said that they're ready to arrest anyone breaking the law but currently it is not illegal to park in public roads with trucks and the truck drivers are mostly abiding by all laws. Less than half a dozen people have been arrested because there's no laws being broken. The reason they are not doing any enforcement is…

Ottawa resident here, this is so far off base I’d call it propaganda.

Fireworks in the downtown core nightly. Air horns for days on end. Harassment, assaults and intimidation targeted towards minorities or those wearing a mask. Public urination, defication.

Even “it’s not illegal to park on public roads” is false because they’re parked across all lanes, blocking north/south access to several blocks.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.

It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…

At the end of the day, at some point the police are not going to do things they don't agree with.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Nobody intimidated or enact violence against Ottawa residents. Based on what I saw with my own eyes last week, protesters and truckers are friendly and peaceful. IDK maybe they turn to werewolves at night, but the most aggressive thing I saw there was "fuck trudeau" signs everywhere.

Both of the grocery stores downtown closed because of alteractions with protestors. Front-line workers have been affected the most because they can't avoid going out. The rest of us are mostly not going downtown because there's rampant harassment if you're a woman, queer, POC, etc.

Unless everything drastically changed since the previous weekend, it's outright lie.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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post #806

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. They claimed they didn't have enough manpower and needed help from the provincial and federal governments. Why they were so poorly prepared when the convoy was broadcasting its intentions in advance is a great question, but it also doesn't help now. The Ottawa Police Service abandoned the people of the city for weeks and now can't resolve the problem on its own. So I g…

>The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. This is not correct. The Ottawa police have repeatedly said that they're ready to arrest anyone breaking the law but currently it is not illegal to park in public roads with trucks and the truck drivers are mostly abiding by all laws. Less than half a dozen people have been arrested because there's no laws being broken. The reason they are not doing any enforcement is…

Can you find where they said that? Because their press release says otherwise: https://www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?page=2&n...

As noted in the release, blocking a public road the way they've been doing seems to be a violation of section 423(g) of the Criminal Code: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-423.ht...

Note that the Criminal Code defines "highway" as "a road to which the public has the right of access, and includes bridges over which or tunnels through which a road passes."

There's also mischief - section 430(1)(c): https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-430.ht...

They've certainly interfered with Centretown residents' lawful enjoyment of their property.

Not to mention Highway Traffic Act violations. Plus other Criminal Code violations for the train horns (and while we're at it, even by-law violations). The reality is that the Ottawa Police have had plenty of tools at their disposal but have chosen not to. I don't mean to blame the individual officers - I've seen quite a few of them on the live streams trying their best. I see it more as a failure of leadership.

And I get that during a protest, it's better for police to err on the side of not nailing people for every infraction they can. But it seems like they have the tools to do a lot of than they've done - and have had these tools available since the beginning.

Also, in fairness - it could be they have intel about weapons like the ones the RCMP seized at the Alberta blockade today. That would explain their reluctance, and would mean they are really stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they step up enforcement and kick off an armed conflict, they'll get blamed for that, too. So it might be a bit of a no-win situation.

But if that's the case, it's not very visible from the outside - making the whole situation understandably frustrating for citizens who feel like they are paying $350mil a year and not getting enough protection in return.

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