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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#821

Post by guareber8 »

L_226 wrote: post #649
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #644

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Finally here’s a seemingly good Android phone with 5 years of support - from the only phone vendor outside of Apple who appears to give a damn about that aspect. FairPhone 4 not only promises 5 years of android software updates but also has 5 years of warranty , There are more reasons to trust their words than any of the other phone manufacturers. • They are not profit focused but rather towards sustainability, The…

I bought a Fairphone 3+ 10 weeks ago, and just got a refund because they cannot build any units. I really wanted this, I guess I will continue to wait for the librem5

I was curious and just checked into the librem5.

I am NOT spending $900 on a phone.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#822

Post by pacman2 »

DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

"Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this."

Well I wont. I will look for an accumulator replacement for my Pixel one.

700 USD every few years? Quite a bit of money.

Screensize? We had a joke in our (European) high school to tease someone: You shoe size develops like 10, 11, 12, coffin for children, coffin for adults, motorboat... Looks like the same thing is happening to cell phone screens.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#823

Post by GeekyBear »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #800
GeekyBear wrote: post #779

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> If you want your photos to upload in the background, iCloud Photos is your only choice on iOS. Nope. Background App Refresh has allowed any iOS app to update data between the server and client in the background for more than half a decade. Apple has discussed scanning photos uploaded to the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service in the future, but nothing is scanned now. Google has been scanning everything in…

Background App Refresh was added in 2019. How did that more than half a decade pass in two years? You're right though, iOS is not as terrible as it used to be. For many years, Apple crippled other background sync services relative to its own, and it continues to cripple other services relative to its own on iOS. All the other privacy-invading criticisms remain, making iOS an awful choice for privacy. I still don't kn…

Background App Refresh was added in iOS 7 which launched 8 years ago.

I guess I could have said almost a decade ago.

So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now.

Google, on the other hand, has been scanning everything in your account for the past decade.

Also, documents from the discovery phase of Google's various antitrust trials show that Google has literally pressured device makers to hide the privacy settings from users.

Google also buys a copy of everybody's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on your real world purchases as much as they spy on your online life.

A company with surveillance capitalism as it's business model, like Google, will always be motivated to violate user privacy as much as possible.

I don't know why you're still trying to pretend that Google's cloud service is separate from Android while Apple's cloud service is not separate from iOS?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#824

Post by Stephen304 »

soylentnewsorg wrote: post #439
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

One doesn't have to dream. Flashing a rom on google-branded phones is so simple, a non-tech person can follow a 5min youtube video to do it. The Nexus 6 from 2014 can have the latest android running on it - not just security updates. And unlike an iphone, it has a build that disables some eyecandy that keeps it actually usable and fast. As I understand it if you run the last supported ios on an iphone 5s, with all th…

I just flashed my pixel 2 to lineage 18 now that it's not receiving updates, and I was disappointed to discover that because of SafetyNet, I can't use Google pay in stores or install the Netflix app. So to me it's still less than ideal.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#825

Post by lern_too_spel »

GeekyBear wrote: post #823
lern_too_spel wrote: post #800

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Background App Refresh was added in 2019. How did that more than half a decade pass in two years? You're right though, iOS is not as terrible as it used to be. For many years, Apple crippled other background sync services relative to its own, and it continues to cripple other services relative to its own on iOS. All the other privacy-invading criticisms remain, making iOS an awful choice for privacy. I still don't kn…

Background App Refresh was added in iOS 7 which launched 8 years ago. I guess I could have said almost a decade ago. So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. Google, on the other hand, has been scanning everything in your account for the past decade. Also, documents from the discovery phase of Google's various…

> So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now.

I acknowledged that. The point is that they admitted this is an oversight because they are already scanning iCloud Mail. Their intentions are exactly the same as Google's. They are merely less competent. Apple is also a surveillance capitalist, as I explained in my previous post, giving several examples. iOS even splits the privacy settings of Apple's apps from the privacy settings of all other apps to make it harder for users to control what little Apple lets them control.

> Google also buys a copy of everybody's credit/debit card transaction data so they can spy on your real world purchases as much as they spy on your online life.

Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same.

> I don't know why you're still trying to pretend that Google's cloud service is separate from Android while Apple's cloud service is not separate from iOS?

I already explained why. I don't have to use Google services on Android. iOS ties me to Apple's privacy nightmare. I listed several other examples of Apple data collection on iOS that are unavoidable. Android, even in builds provided by Google, has none of those problems.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by GeekyBear »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #825
GeekyBear wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Background App Refresh was added in iOS 7 which launched 8 years ago. I guess I could have said almost a decade ago. So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. Google, on the other hand, has been scanning everything in your account for the past decade. Also, documents from the discovery phase of Google's various…

> So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. I acknowledged that. The point is that they admitted this is an oversight because they are already scanning iCloud Mail. Their intentions are exactly the same as Google's. They are merely less competent. Apple is also a surveillance capitalist, as I explained in my pre…

> Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same.

Nope.

>Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no...

Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same.

>I don't have to use Google services on Android. iOS ties me to Apple's privacy nightmare.

Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit as optional as Google's.

The difference is that Google has been scanning everything in Google accounts for the past decade.

Google and Facebook, as the pioneers of surveillance capitalism, are both privacy nightmares.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by randomopining »

eclipxe wrote: post #607
randomopining wrote: post #390

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How is this a fallacy? It's just extending their argument to show/highlight the absurdity that it could lead to. Why stop at basic arbitrary things like skin color? Why not break it down by country of origin, way of speaking, etc. Every tv show should have someone with this list of accents, etc.

It's a fallacy because it is hyperbolic.

How is using the exact same logic of the initial argument in a different way hyperbolic? It simply shows the absurdity of the original in a different light.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#828

Post by randomopining »

jbluepolarbear wrote: post #529
randomopining wrote: post #388

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So when an ad has only whites, you would say: "why is this not representative of the people of this country!?" Then in this case I say: "why is this not representative of the people of this country!?" Your response, a smarmy "why not?" and personal attack. The failure can speak for itself.

Your racism is stinky

Such a sophomoric response to call a nuanced opinion like mine "racist".

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#829

Post by lern_too_spel »

GeekyBear wrote: post #826
lern_too_spel wrote: post #825

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, again, Apple only discussed scanning the iCloud Photos portion of their cloud service some time in the future, but NOTHING is being scanned now. I acknowledged that. The point is that they admitted this is an oversight because they are already scanning iCloud Mail. Their intentions are exactly the same as Google's. They are merely less competent. Apple is also a surveillance capitalist, as I explained in my pre…

> Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same. Nope. >Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as G…

> Nope.

Yep.

> Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same.

As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google. The purchase is a deal with the credit card companies to send data that users have opted in to share. https://support.google.com/googlepay/answer/10845853?hl=en

> Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit as optional as Google's.

You completely ignored my post explaining why they are not. To repeat myself from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28933939:

"You cannot even install an app on your device without giving Apple your billing details and letting them know you installed it, which is used for ads. You cannot get your location without also telling it to Apple. You cannot tell Apple not to track your WiFi SSID's location. You cannot uninstall Apple News, which is filled with user tracking for ads. On and on."

Apple, Google, and Facebook are all privacy nightmares. The difference is that iOS forces that privacy nightmare on its users, while Android does not. Your comparison of Apple to Google is as irrelevant as it is incorrect.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

#830

Post by GeekyBear »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #829
GeekyBear wrote: post #826

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple gets the exact same information for transactions completed with Apple Pay. Users have to opt in for Google to see this information. Once again, exactly the same. Nope. >Google has been able to track your location using Google Maps for a long time. Since 2014, it has used that information to provide advertisers with information on how often people visit their stores. But store visits aren’t purchases, so, as G…

> Nope. Yep. > Buying a copy of everyone's credit card transaction data, no matter who they bank through, is not even close to the same. As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google. The purchase is a deal with the credit card companies to send data that users have opted in to share. https://support.google.com/googlepay/answer/10845853?hl=en > Nope. Apple's cloud service is every bit…

>As I already explained, the user has to opt in to share that data with Google.

As I have already explained, this has nothing to do with Google Pay whatsoever.

It doesn't matter who issues your card. Google made deals directly with Visa and Mastercard to buy your transaction data.

>as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases.

Google has gone from spying on everything you do online, to spying on your offline behavior as well.

As for the rest of your errors. I'm afraid that I'm not willing to take the time to correct them individually.

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