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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by foldr »

beerandt wrote: post #820
foldr wrote: post #782

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> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221112/ > That sounds like a load of nonsense? "Based on these limitations, the committee concludes that the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between SV40-containing polio vaccines and cancer." There is literally no reason to bring this up in relation to COVID vaccines. First, this was a contamination issue with polio vaccines between 1955 and 19…

You left out the ultimate conclusion: >In light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the committee recommends continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication, and targeted biological research. >long since fixed (and unlikely to happen again, as it is now much easier to detect this kind of contamina…

>In light of the biological evidence supporting the theory that SV40-contamination of polio vaccines could contribute to human cancers, the committee recommends continued public health attention in the form of policy analysis, communication, and targeted biological research.

Come on – this is just the standard ass-covering language in a scientific paper. "Further research is needed." By the nature of the case it's very hard to conclusively show that no-one has ever had a cancer caused by a 1960s Polio vaccine. But at present there is no good evidence that this has happened, as the paper that you linked to states very clearly.

Any medication can contain contaminants. I do not understand why you think that the mere abstract possibility that any given vaccine might contain contaminants is relevant to COVID vaccination efforts. This is like cautioning against people taking Aspirin because any given Aspirin pill might contain contaminants.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by [deleted] »

beerandt wrote: post #819
titzer wrote: post #797

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You posted a lot of evidence that SV40, a virus, causes cancer. You are using that to argue against a vaccine that targets a virus (the COVID-19 vaccine), because that vaccine might be contaminated with a virus ? This is absolutely ridiculous. Viruses cause cancer, not vaccines.

And vaccines have a greater than zero risk of being contaminated with live virus, as has already happened with multiple covid vaccines. My point isn't "don't get vaccinated", but that claiming "a vaccine altering human DNA is conspiracy theory nonsense" is a bad take, because it's factually wrong and has actually happened.

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by wanderingmind »

Maybe it's just me, but I have always felt most conversations at JRE are very shallow. I think it's because he doesn't push the guests enough or provide counter arguments to their statements. I have instead liked the podcasts of Sam Harris, Lex Friedman and more recently that of Jordan Peterson.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by capedape »

usehackernews wrote: post #791
josephg wrote: post #564

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Yeah, I’m a paying spotify customer and I hate this. And I also hate that the spotify client seamlessly mixes podcasts with music in its recommendations. It’s like a PM somewhere at spotify was offered a cash bonus based on how many podcast listens happen, and they decided that making the app trick people into playing podcasts was a profitable idea. It breaks trust, and makes the spotify app feel adversarial. Like I…

I couldn’t agree more. I’m a massive music fan and podcast listener. Spotify had been my go to for music, but the combination of podcast and music has absolutely killed my experience. I love both, but when I’m listening to music, I don’t want to listen to podcasts and vice versa. They serve different purposes for me, all audio is not the same. I’ve recently switched to YouTube Music. I will occasionally use Spotify f…

Yep. I've been listening to podcasts since Twitter was the podcast directory Odeo. Also, have been djing for much longer so mixing these worlds in Spotify's ever-changing UI is just a mess. I pay for Spotify premium, but now get ads what seems like every ten minutes in the "premium ad free experience" during his podcast. Often, skipping back 15 seconds to hear something again will trigger ads.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by therealdrag0 »

vl wrote: post #597
zepto wrote: post #13

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Apparently he made $30M in the year before the deal. If the deal lasts for more than 2 years, then he has made a serious error.

But you also have to assess risks. Joe is a prime candidate for getting canceled. Being on YouTube carries this risk for him. On Spotify not only he got some cash upfront, but also significantly mitigated this risk, since platform is way more aligned (i.e. it's important business for Spotify and a footnote for YouTube).

It’s not YouTube vs Spotify, it’s Spotify vs every other platform. Lots of people just listened to his podcasts which can’t be cancelled.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by therealdrag0 »

criddell wrote: post #143
laurent92 wrote: post #114

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I think he was promised $100m for the Spotify exclusivity. No multiplatform works better than $100m ;)

It has also been argued Joe sold out at way too low of a price. https://www.supercast.com/blog/joe-rogan-got-ripped-off

I would guess 5% conversion is pretty generous and unsupported.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by VelkaMorava »

OJFord wrote: post #329
VelkaMorava wrote: post #288

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During that episode I have came to conclusion that Bill Burr is who Joe Rogan sees as himself. Eloquent, humorous, says-he's-stupid-but-he-is-actually-smart, able to step back and look at all the stupid stuff everyone does (including himself). Except Rogan is actually this: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8xofvi/joe_rogan_...

I opened this thread wondering who Joe Rogan is; glancing at that I'm not surprised I don't know, and have certainly lost any interest in knowing!

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by cutemonster »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #750
cbozeman wrote: post #690

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What's "naïve" is you or anyone else thinking they have the power to "nudge people into better patterns", which is exactly what the kind of behavior you're promoting attempts to accomplish. You can't, and you never will. Culture evolves slowly, and humans even slower.

> What's "naïve" is you or anyone else thinking they have the power to "nudge people into better patterns" > You can't, and you never will. Culture evolves slowly, and humans even slower. There is ample evidence since at least World War I, that both 'positive' PSA type information and 'negative' propaganda/counter information/psy ops absolutely have an effect. Reminder that the Wakefield fraud in 1998, on M.M.R. vacc…

I know about psyops, but what is "PSA type information"? (What is "PSA" for?)

(Agreed btw that most humans are easy to manipulate. How interesting about the carrots, I like to eat, for the eyes partly)

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

cutemonster wrote: post #828
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #750

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> What's "naïve" is you or anyone else thinking they have the power to "nudge people into better patterns" > You can't, and you never will. Culture evolves slowly, and humans even slower. There is ample evidence since at least World War I, that both 'positive' PSA type information and 'negative' propaganda/counter information/psy ops absolutely have an effect. Reminder that the Wakefield fraud in 1998, on M.M.R. vacc…

I know about psyops, but what is "PSA type information"? (What is "PSA" for?) (Agreed btw that most humans are easy to manipulate. How interesting about the carrots, I like to eat, for the eyes partly)

I made the mistake to assume the acronym PSA was known.

Public Service Announcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_announcement

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by majani »

chimen wrote: post #345

He left a void which is now being filled by Lex Friedman and others. Rogan doesn't even bother placing something about the podcast in title - he just names the guest which doesn't say anything to me so I dropped his show long time ago. Even went that far and send him an email regarding how frustrating it is to just listen to show after show until you find a subject that you like. What he lost with YouTube is their al…

Yup. We thought digital distribution would eliminate the editorial middlemen, but we just replaced them with algorithms. Being favored by the algorithm is a big part of most social media stars' success nowadays and it is not guaranteed if you follow their guidelines. And despite that, there are still human editors in the background who can push a button to make the algorithm ignore you from now henceforth, so the old boss is the same as the new boss in the end.
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